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For the First Time, Francis Contradicts Benedict
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| Jul-29-2013
| by Sandro Magister
Posted on 07/29/2013 8:12:44 AM PDT by Brian Kopp DPM
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To: Mrs. Don-o; pgkdan; Dudoight; ebb tide; NTHockey; irishjuggler; exPBRrat
UPDATE - TEXT OF THE DECREE
The text of the decree in Italian is transcribed below. We translate the last paragraph with the specific papal order abrogating Summorum Pontificum for the priests of the FFI:
[Following the orders related to the administrative organization of the FFI, and the naming of an Apostolic Commissioner, the following is added:] In addition to the above, also on July 3 [of this year], the Holy Father Francis determined that every religious of the Congregation of the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate is bound to celebrate the liturgy according to the ordinary rite and that, eventually, the use of the extraordinary form (Vetus Ordo) must be explicitly authorized by the competent authorities for every religious and/or community that requests it.
Full text (Italian - source Messa in Latino):
CONGREGATIO
PRO INSTITUTIS VITAE CONSECRATAE
ET SOCIETATIBUS VIATE APOSTOLICAE
PROT. N. 52741/2012
DECRETO
La Congregazione per gli Istituti di vita consacrata e la Società di vita apostolica, attese le consiedrazioni formulate nella Relazione presentata dal Rev.do Mons. Vito Angelo Todisco a conclusione della Visita Apostolica disposta con decreto del 5 luglio 2012, al fine di tutelare e promuovere l'unità interna degli Istituti religiosi e la comunione fraterna, l'adeguata formazione alla vita religiosa e consacrata, l'organizzazione delle attività apostoliche, la corretta gestione dei beni temporali, ha ritenuto necessario nominare un Commissario Apostolico per la Congregazione dei Frati Francescani dell'Immacolata con le conseguente attribuite dal diritto particolare ed universale al Governo Generale del citato Istituto religioso.
Atteso che la suddetta decisione il 3 luglio 2013 è stata oggetto di approvazione in forma specifica a norma dell'art. 18 della cost. ap. Pastor Bonus dal Santo Padre Francesco, con il presente decreto si nomina
il Reverendo P. Fidenzio Volpi O.F.M. Cap.
Commissario Apostolico
ad nutum Sanctae Sedis,
per tutte le Comunità e i sodali della Congregazione dei Frati Francescani dell'Immacolata
Nell'espletamento delle sue mansioni, il Rev.do P. Volpi assumerà tutte le competenze che la normativa particolare dell'Istituto e quella universale della Chiesa attribuiscono al Governo Generale.
Sarà inoltre sua facoltà avvalersi, se lo riterrà opportuno, di collaboratori scelti a sua discrezione e da lui nominati previo assenso di questo Dicastero, a cui potrà chiedere il parere quando lo riterrà necessario.
Il Rev.do P. Volpi ogni sei mesim, dovrà informare questo Dicastero del suo operato, inviando una dettagliata relazione scritta circa le dicisioni adottate, i risultati conseguiti e le iniziative che riterrà utili realizzare per il bene dell'Istituto. Infine, spetterà all'Istitutodei Frati Francescani dell'Immacolata sia il rimborso delle spese sostenute da detto Commissario e dai collaboratori da lui eventualmente nominati, sia l'onorario per il loro servizio. In aggiunta a quanto sopra, sempre il 3 luglio u.s. il Santo Padre Francesco ha disposto che ongi religioso della Congregazione dei Frati Francescani dell'Immacolata è tenuto a celebrare la liturgia secondo il rito ordinario e che, eventualmente, l'uso della forma staordinaria (Vetus Ordo) dovrà essere esplicitamente autorizzata dalle competenti autorità per ogni religioso e/o comunità che ne farà richiesta.
Nonostante qualunque disposizione contraria
Dato dal Vaticano, l'11 luglio 2013
f.to Joao Braz Card. de. Aviz prefetto
+ José Rodrìguez Carballo, O.F.M. Arcivescovo Segretario
To: Dudoight
>I think revising our mass/church to appeal to modern culture is/was a big error.<
.
I thought that all that was done and over with by Vatican II.
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posted on
07/29/2013 9:23:39 AM PDT
by
353FMG
( I do not say whether I am serious or sarcastic -- I respect FReepers too much.)
To: Brian Kopp DPM
It sure didn’t take Pope Francis long:
On 6 April 2013, Pope Francis appointed him ( José Rodrìguez Carballo, O.F.M.) of the Congregation for Institutes of Consecrated Life and Societies of Apostolic Life, filling a position that had been vacant for several months, and named him Titular Archbishop of Bellicastrum.[
Who will Herr Jose attack next? The FSSP, ICK?
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posted on
07/29/2013 9:27:02 AM PDT
by
ebb tide
To: Brian Kopp DPM
2 things to point out with this item:
1) Sandro Magister (as well as Andrea Tornielli) are ITALIAN. They write like ITALIANS. ‘Nuff said on that.
2) The group to which this decree applies is a religious order. We laity need to keep in mind that OBEDIENCE is a fundamental tenet of religious orders. Needing to have permission of their religious superiors should not be seen as controversial...
And then the other source cited was Rorate? We are talking about the same Rorate that is convinced that this is an anti-Pope?
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posted on
07/29/2013 9:50:11 AM PDT
by
markomalley
(Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
To: markomalley
We are talking about the same Rorate that is convinced that this is an anti-Pope? Increasingly, becoming a matter of preponderance of the evidence.
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posted on
07/29/2013 10:02:35 AM PDT
by
steve86
(Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture™)
To: steve86
Increasingly, becoming a matter of preponderance of the evidence. So is the seat just empty? Or are you a follower of Pope Pius XIII? Or Pope Michael?
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posted on
07/29/2013 10:08:37 AM PDT
by
markomalley
(Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
To: Brian Kopp DPM
Franciscans of the Immaculate. Where is their Archbishop Lefebvre? We need more of him.
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posted on
07/29/2013 10:09:20 AM PDT
by
steve86
(Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture™)
To: markomalley
Attempted to attend an FSSP Mass over the weekend but all hotel rooms in the area were booked and had to come home.
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posted on
07/29/2013 10:10:42 AM PDT
by
steve86
(Acerbic by Nature, not Nurture™)
To: markomalley
Wait, has Rorate actually said that he’s an anti-Pope?
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posted on
07/29/2013 10:11:19 AM PDT
by
Pyro7480
(Viva Cristo Rey!)
To: Pyro7480
Wait, has Rorate actually said that hes an anti-Pope? No...everything but...
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posted on
07/29/2013 10:12:20 AM PDT
by
markomalley
(Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
To: markomalley
” Needing to have permission of their religious superiors should not be seen as controversial...”
Sure it’s controversial! Epecially since Pope Benedict made it clear that no one can forbid a priest from offering a TLM.
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posted on
07/29/2013 10:17:46 AM PDT
by
ebb tide
To: Brian Kopp DPM
The Tridentine Mass came into use around 1570. What’s with “the ancient rite” terminology this article constantly uses? There are many liturgies far older than the Tridentine Mass. It makes it sound like the Pope is weighing on using a Mass from 400s.
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posted on
07/29/2013 10:18:10 AM PDT
by
BillyBoy
(Liz Cheney's family supports gay marriage. Do you?)
To: markomalley
Are you fond of committing libel?
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posted on
07/29/2013 10:20:37 AM PDT
by
ebb tide
To: markomalley
Actually, according to Francis, the seat is empty. He only refers to himself as the Bishop of Rome, not the Vicar of Christ.
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posted on
07/29/2013 10:24:20 AM PDT
by
ebb tide
To: ebb tide
Are you fond of committing libel? No more so than anybody else. Though in fairness, I stopped reading Rorate about a week after the election because of the constant hissy-fit they were throwing.
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posted on
07/29/2013 10:38:29 AM PDT
by
markomalley
(Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
To: ebb tide
Sure its controversial! Epecially since Pope Benedict made it clear that no one can forbid a priest from offering a TLM. You know very, very, very little about being in a religious order, don't you?
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posted on
07/29/2013 10:42:22 AM PDT
by
markomalley
(Nothing emboldens the wicked so greatly as the lack of courage on the part of the good -- Leo XIII)
To: BillyBoy
Nonsense. What we know as the Traditional Latin Mass was in use in the West since the time of Pope St. Gregory the Great (590-604) in its essential form. It was codified at the Council of Trent and thus it came to be known as the Tridentine Mass.
To: ebb tide
...according to Francis, the seat is empty. He only refers to himself as the Bishop of Rome, not the Vicar of Christ. Whoa!
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posted on
07/29/2013 10:46:17 AM PDT
by
Alex Murphy
("...Someone handed the keys to the Forum to the OPC and its sympathizers...")
To: markomalley
The new decree states:
the Holy Father Francis determined that every religious of the Congregation of the Franciscan Friars of the Immaculate is bound to celebrate the liturgy according to the ordinary rite and that, eventually, the use of the extraordinary form (Vetus Ordo) must be explicitly authorized by the competent authorities for every religious and/or community that requests it.
The highlighted text is diametrically opposed to the spirit and letter of the law promulgated in Pope BXVI's Motu Proprio Summorum Pontificum.
As such it is clearly a slap in the face to BXVI as well as all Catholics who love the TLM.
To: Brian Kopp DPM
Unbelievable.
Jesus, mercy.
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posted on
07/29/2013 10:53:44 AM PDT
by
AliVeritas
(Pray/Penance. Isa 5:18-21,10:1-3 "Tempus faciendi, Domine, dissipaverunt legem tuam")
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