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To: stfassisi

So you’re here to push the theory that our founders were flawed therefore the Declaration is flawed, the Constitution is flawed, our founding was flawed and our nation is flawed. Got news for you. You and Comrade Obama can both kiss my flawed American ass.

Bye.


237 posted on 07/29/2013 11:10:30 AM PDT by Jim Robinson (Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God!!)
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To: Jim Robinson
Do you think they are perfect in every particular? Real question. I never heard anybody express that opinion.

They are WAY ahead of any other earthly answer - a quantum level ahead. In particular a government bound to the people as a servant to many masters is what I consider a main aspect of "American exceptionalism." Almost everywhere else the government is like a king. Here it is (or was) like a governmental minister and WE are the kings.

But I think reasonable and -patriotic people can discuss whether the "rights" concept is absolutely best, or whether, for example, a sense of "due" and "duty" would be better. I can see arguments both ways, and my latest alleged thought is that in our private dealings we should think of what is 'due' to the person we encounter. But the most successful way to do a government is the "rights" model -- and when the Progressives started with things like "Freedom from want" they were using the "Duty" model to make the government more like a king and less like a servant while they also vitiated the initiative of the people.

Anyway, John Adams pointed out the weakness (if that's what it is) of our system: it depends on a religious and moral people. We were given a VERY workable system, even if the dream of the founders that there would not be a real party system didn't work out. It is, IMHO, not the founding but we the people who are chiefly to blame for our current fix.

241 posted on 07/29/2013 2:26:57 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (In te, Domine, speravi: non confundar in aeternum.)
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To: Jim Robinson; Mad Dawg; stfassisi

“So you’re here to push the theory that our founders were flawed therefore the Declaration is flawed, the Constitution is flawed, our founding was flawed and our nation is flawed. Got news for you. You and Comrade Obama can both kiss my flawed American ass.”

What an astonishing response! In all honesty, making out the Founders or our history, a history my ancestors were intimately involved with making, as an objects of almost cultish worship is at a minimum idolatrous and more than a little dangerous. Is this the direction this site is headed? I know some people believe that’s exactly what’s going on here (and more for that matter) and are, well, let’s just say they are “concerned”.

Have I misinterpreted what you have written?


247 posted on 07/30/2013 8:09:47 AM PDT by Kolokotronis (Christ is Risen, and you, o death, are annihilated)
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