That won't work either...Even the best of you guys tells us that since the cracker and the wine still looks, tastes, smells, feels and talks like a cracker and wine after the so-called consecration where this stuff turns into flesh and blood, it becomes a matter of Catholic Faith that the event actually took place...Since, to the normal senses, you couldn't prove it...
Therefore, it is definitely not a matter of discernment ie, recognizing the bread and wine as flesh and blood when it comes to your Eucharist...You guys claim it is 'faith', not discernment...
You then should be able to recognize that the verse is speaking to something else...
Go to Google or Bing and look up Eucharistic miracles.
While you are doing that please get back to Mark and I on how Bing and Google both support the Catholic understanding/ translation of "Born from above."
"That won't work either...Even the best of you guys tells us that since the cracker and the wine still looks, tastes, smells, feels and talks like a cracker and wine after the so-called consecration where this stuff turns into flesh and blood, it becomes a matter of Catholic Faith that the event actually took place...Since, to the normal senses, you couldn't prove it... Therefore, it is definitely not a matter of discernment ie, recognizing the bread and wine as flesh and blood when it comes to your Eucharist...You guys claim it is 'faith', not discernment... You then should be able to recognize that the verse is speaking to something else...
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You sound EXACTLY like the non-believers in the time of Jesus on Earth sounded, who repeatedly mocked Jesus Christ.
They reasoned in a very similar way to the way you "reason" -- Jesus LOOKED like a mere human being just like everyone else, and TALKED, WALKED, ATE, DRANK, SMELLED, CRIED, SLEPT, (etc.) just like every other healthy human being, so they DID NOT BELIEVE AT ALL THAT HE WAS GOD!
Their extremely limited input from their five human senses did not tell them He was God, so they sadly only trusted their very limited human senses, instead of trusting the living Word of God. (Discernement is MUCH MORE than just the input of the five physical human senses. You should learn that.) Most of His contemporaries did not see (DISCERN) with the eyes of faith, so they only saw a mere man -- NOT God.
The truth is, NOBODY alive today bases their faith on the fact that they "saw" or perceived God with their five human senses, as nobody sees God in any fashion here today but with the "eyes of faith".
For those fools in Jesus days (as for similar fools today) it was the most stupid and the gravest mistake they would ever make in their entire lives.
Their five senses told them one thing: "There is NO WAY that that is God! That is just a mere man, just like all the rest of us!"
P.S. Their five senses were wrong.