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And so it is revealed that a Christian refusing to love these sinners [who, as you say, “want nothing more than to attack the church”] is itself sin on your part.

I noticed that you left out Romans 1:

Rom 1:29-32 They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips, slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless. Though they know God's righteous decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them.

Now does that sound very "loving" of Paul. How about the time Paul stated this:

Gal 5:11-12 But if I, brothers, still preach circumcision, why am I still being persecuted? In that case the offense of the cross has been removed. I wish those who unsettle you would emasculate (sic: castrate) themselves!

Do you think Paul sound loving? How about this:

Lev_20:13 If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.

Do you think this is loving of God?

These people are in darkness so of course you have sympathies for them. But it does no good to criticize Christians as homophobic for saying homosexuality is wrong. That is not a sin by my bible.

We only have two commandments; 1) love God with all our hearts, mind and strength, and 2) love our neighbor as ourselves. It's a lot easier to love our neighbor than it is to love God with all our hearts. Sometimes you have to speak up for what is right and choose what is the most loving act. But commandment 2 should never supersede commandment 1.

>> And so it is revealed that a Christian refusing to love these sinners [who, as you say, “want nothing more than to attack the church”] is itself sin on your part.
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> I noticed that you left out Romans 1:
Rom 1:29-32 They were filled with all manner of unrighteousness, evil, covetousness, malice. They are full of envy, murder, strife, deceit, maliciousness. They are gossips, slanderers, haters of God, insolent, haughty, boastful, inventors of evil, disobedient to parents, foolish, faithless, heartless, ruthless. Though they know God's righteous decree that those who practice such things deserve to die, they not only do them but give approval to those who practice them.

Where does Paul say that you aren't supposed to love them? In any case your position implies dissonance with Jesus's commands in Mat 5.

Lev_20:13 If a man lies with a male as with a woman, both of them have committed an abomination; they shall surely be put to death; their blood is upon them.

Do you think this is loving of God?

Yes, because you forget the purpose of the law:

1 Timothy 1:8-11 We know that the law is good if one uses it properly. We also know that law is made not for the righteous but for lawbreakers and rebels, the ungodly and sinful, the unholy and irreligious; for those who kill their fathers or mothers, for murderers, for adulterers and perverts, for slave traders and liars and perjurers - and for whatever else is contrary to the sound doctrine that conforms to the glorious gospel of the blessed God, which he entrusted to me.
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Romans 7:7-13 What then should we say? That the law is sin? By no means! Yet, if it had not been for the law, I would not have known sin. I would not have known what it is to covet if the law had not said, “You shall not covet.” But sin, seizing an opportunity in the commandment, produced in me all kinds of covetousness. Apart from the law sin lies dead. I was once alive apart from the law, but when the commandment came, sin revived and I died, and the very commandment that promised life proved to be death to me. For sin, seizing an opportunity in the commandment, deceived me and through it killed me. So the law is holy, and the commandment is holy and just and good. Did what is good, then, bring death to me? By no means! It was sin, working death in me through what is good, in order that sin might be shown to be sin, and through the commandment might become sinful beyond measure.
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Galatians 3:13-14 Christ redeemed us from the curse of the law by becoming a curse for us, for it is written: “Cursed is everyone who is hung on a pole.” He redeemed us in order that the blessing given to Abraham might come to the Gentiles through Christ Jesus, so that by faith we might receive the promise of the Spirit.

This is all to say that the truly righteous does not need the law because he fulfills everything that the law would require; but that the law shows us unrighteous that we are sinners and need a savior — and the savior was promised, even in the law and the prophets.

These people are in darkness so of course you have sympathies for them. But it does no good to criticize Christians as homophobic for saying homosexuality is wrong.

And who said that? I didn't say anything about being homophobic. What I took issue with, and I think disproved was your statement that What comes across in this piece is the "we should love the sinner and hate the sin" attitude. However noble this gesture may be, it is not biblical.

So, I took you up on that. I have given you the proof that the sentiment (really a command) is biblical and that you were wrong to say it is not. Either you misspoke, and there was a communication failure here, or you are a liar.

Who ever said that #2 should supersede #1? I did not make any such argument, or say anything that could be construed as such, and you saying it makes me think you did not read my previous post at all.

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