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To: JCBreckenridge

“I said there is evidence, from the 3rd and 4th century.”

That certainly is evidence that praying to departed saints was added hundreds of years later - but no evidence that it was part of Apostolic Tradition or Christian practice by the Church, the Apostles and apparently not the second generation of Christians. Go out to 150AD and even later and it is nowhere to be found.

Later, it was added.

Was it of cultic influence or origin, like many things incorporated into Catholicism? We will not know.

All we know is that there is zero evidence it came through Christ or the Apostles.

And no one on this thread has posted the evidence to contradict that statement. I can only assume that if such evidence existed, it would be posted. It wasn’t.


798 posted on 07/16/2013 9:19:23 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion ( “The more corrupt the state, the more numerous the laws.” - Tacitus)
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

“That certainly is evidence that praying to departed saints was added hundreds of years later.”

So was the trinity.


799 posted on 07/16/2013 9:29:39 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge ("we are pilgrims in an unholy land")
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To: aMorePerfectUnion

“All we know is that there is zero evidence it came through Christ or the Apostles.”

Is there any evidence for your ‘cultic origin’? Apparently no evidence >>> evidence.

There is evidence for the communion of saints in terms of the fathers of the church as early as the third century. But unfortunately that doesn’t meet your wholly arbitrary origin just like the doctrine of the trinity doesn’t meet your wholly arbitrary opinion.


823 posted on 07/16/2013 5:22:47 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge ("we are pilgrims in an unholy land")
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