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To: xzins
I am more comfortable believing the dead in Christ have a function rather than having no function. I don’t think I’ve locked it down scripturally, but what I’ve considered certainly suggests thinking along these lines is supportable scripturally.

Believing the dead in Christ have a function rather than having no function is speculative if be reasonable, but this does not translate into believers on earth beseeching anyone else but God in Heaven, His throne, which is the issue, and the Holy Spirit provides zero examples or in instructions on who to pray to, or due to any lack in Christ, and instead He abundantly examples of prayer directly addressed to God, to whom believers in Christ come directly to, (Heb. 10:19) and instructs Him to be the one addressed in prayer, and sets forth Christ as the all sufficient mediator in both accessibility, availability and ability. (Heb. 2:17,18; 4:15,16; 7:25)

782 posted on 07/16/2013 4:41:19 AM PDT by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: daniel1212; P-Marlowe; Alamo-Girl; NYer; Salvation; wagglebee

Yes, but you are assuming that communicating with God’s messengers is prayer. Why can’t it just be talking to? Why is it any different that asking you to pray with me about my grandson?

We know, for example, that angels see the face of God in regard to children with whom they are charged. We also know that Revelation pictures angels bringing the prayers of believers to God.

The bible indicate that angels have some role in prayer, a gathering and offering of them:

***Revelation 8: 3 Another angel, who had a golden censer, came and stood at the altar. He was given much incense to offer, with the prayers of all the saints, on the golden altar before the throne. 4 The smoke of the incense, together with the prayers of the saints, went up before God from the angel’s hand.***

Cornelius might well be an example of that:

***Acts 10: 1 At Caesarea there was a man named Cornelius, a centurion in what was known as the Italian Regiment. 2 He and all his family were devout and God-fearing; he gave generously to those in need and prayed to God regularly. 3 One day at about three in the afternoon he had a vision. He distinctly saw an angel of God, who came to him and said, “Cornelius!” 4 Cornelius stared at him in fear. “What is it, Lord?” he asked. The angel answered, “Your prayers and gifts to the poor have come up as a memorial offering before God. ***


785 posted on 07/16/2013 5:15:43 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Those who truly support our troops pray for their victory!)
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