(That sounds like those strict Amish or Quakers who don't believe in riding in cars or planes, or watching television. because they were not mentioned in the Bible.)
The New Testament does give examples of Christians asking for prayers from other Christians, such as this request: "I urge you, brothers, by our Lord Jesus Christ and by the love of the Spirit, to join me in the struggle by your prayers to God on my behalf." (Rom 15:30)
How this applies to saints who have died is discussed more fully and competently in a scripture-filled article about this subject that I referred someone else to in a previous post, which is located here:
"Any Friend of God is a Friend of Mine" By Patrick Madrid
I urge you (and all here) to read that illuminating article prayerfully.
Goodnight all.
Logically i am consistently that neither this or PTDS saints is warranted, as Scripture shows death to be the norm and the Holy Spirit records notable deviations from the norm, from lifespans of humans, to the number to toes, to being sinless, and (as said above but not appearing yet) and likewise the Holy Spirit abundantly examples prayer directly addressed to God, to whom believers in Christ come directly to, (Heb. 10:19) and instructs Him to be the one addressed in prayer, and sets forth Christ as the all sufficient mediator in both accessibility, availability and ability. (Heb. 2:17,18; 4:15,16; 7:25)
But not once does He provide an exceptions, that of any believer praying to anyone in heaven but the Lord, or in his instructions on who prayer to heaven is addressed, or due to any lack in Christ.
That even apostle did not die would be speculative, not a doctrine like PTDS, and which is based on speculation in attempts to support it by Scripture, which this tradition is not based on.
Using that same kind of logic, since you don't see the deaths of all the Apostles in the Bible, do you believe that they therefore did not die?
Logically i am consistently that neither this or PTDS saints is warranted, as Scripture shows death to be the norm and the Holy Spirit records notable deviations from the norm, from lifespans of humans, to the number to toes, to being sinless, and (as said above but not appearing yet) and likewise the Holy Spirit abundantly examples prayer directly addressed to God, to whom believers in Christ come directly to, (Heb. 10:19) and instructs Him to be the one addressed in prayer, and sets forth Christ as the all sufficient mediator in both accessibility, availability and ability. (Heb. 2:17,18; 4:15,16; 7:25)
But not once does He provide an exceptions, that of any believer praying to anyone in heaven but the Lord, or in his instructions on who prayer to heaven is addressed, or due to any lack in Christ.
That even apostle did not die would be speculative, not a doctrine like PTDS, and which is based on speculation in attempts to support it by Scripture, which this tradition is not based on.
The New Testament does give examples of Christians asking for prayers from other Christians, such as this request: "I urge you, brothers, by our Lord Jesus Christ and by the love of the Spirit, to join me in the struggle by your prayers to God on my behalf." (Rom 15:30) How this applies to saints who have died is discussed more fully and competently in a scripture-filled article about this subject..
Which attempt actually testifies to the sophistry RCAs must engage in when trying to support the PTDS tradition from Scripture. What Madrid does is try to look evangelical by invoking Scripture, but he can only post a lot of references on the unity of the body of Christ, and care for each other here, etc. and then try to extrapolate support for praying to the departed out of them, but for which he cannot find a single example among the multitudes of prayer to Heaven, or instructions, etc., and which ignores the manifest restrictions between communication btwn the heavenly realm and the earthly one, in which only God is prayed to and does not have to come to earth or the believer go to heaven to engage in two way communication, unlike mortals.
Rather than trying to support PTDS from Scripture as if that was the basis for it, and supported it, and thus be guilty of abusing Scripture, RCs should simply admit it is an extraBiblical doctrine, and that Rome's doctrines do not need actual Scriptural warrant, only that they do not actually contradict Scripture, but that Rome is the judge of that, and so evangelicals should just submit to her. For that is indeed the goal of RC apologetics, not that certitude of truth if from the Scriptures. Thus they may win some more tares who esteem a church over Scripture.