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To: .45 Long Colt

“mystical barrier that separates Catholic and Christian, it’s Rome herself.”

So you believe that Catholics themselves believe that protestants are not Christians? This is not true.

“Why would Rome even want unity with those anathematized at Trent?”

Because we believe you are Christians and that there is just one Church, under Jesus Christ.


631 posted on 07/15/2013 3:55:10 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge ("we are pilgrims in an unholy land")
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To: JCBreckenridge; .45 Long Colt
“Why would Rome even want unity with those anathematized at Trent?”

Because we believe you are Christians and that there is just one Church, under Jesus Christ.

I can think of at least one solution for that:
What does a Roman Catholic need to do to join the Orthodox Presbyterian Church?

633 posted on 07/15/2013 4:07:25 PM PDT by Alex Murphy ("...Someone handed the keys to the Forum to the OPC and its sympathizers...")
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To: JCBreckenridge

You said:

“So you believe that Catholics themselves believe that protestants are not Christians? This is not true.”

You also said:

“Because we believe you are Christians and that there is just one Church, under Jesus Christ.”

I’m not sure what you or regular Catholics believe, but those statements are not in line with the official position of Rome, historically or today. The most recent iteration of your catechism, compiled under the direction of none other than Ratzinger I believe, unequivocally stated that the sacraments, which are in the hand of the pope, are “necessary” for salvation. Since I have not availed myself to the sacraments of the Roman church, and I never will, I can’t be saved under Ratzinger’s formulation, which purports to be official doctrine.

Paragraph 1129 says: “The Church affirms that for believers the sacraments of the New Covenant are necessary for salvation.”

That seems clear to me. Am I misreading it?

And if we go back in history to 1302, we find Unam Sanctam, Boniface VIII’s Papal Bull, in which he claimed: “Urged by faith, we are obliged to believe and to maintain that the Church is one, holy, catholic, and also apostolic. We believe in her firmly and we confess with simplicity that outside of her there is neither salvation nor the remission of sins...”

“Furthermore, we declare, we proclaim, we define that it is necessary for salvation that every human creature be subject to the Roman Pontiff.”

Has this unbiblical blasphemy and utter falsehood known as Unam Sanctam ever been renounced?

I will never ever subject myself to a Roman Pontiff. I don’t know why any God-fearing man who knows their Bible would do so either. The titles that man heaps upon himself are all I would need to run. For instance, Scripture declares that the Lord, and the Lord alone, is holy.

Revelation 15:4 “Who shall not fear thee, O Lord, and glorify thy name? for thou only art holy: for all nations shall come and worship before thee; for thy judgments are made manifest.”


992 posted on 07/17/2013 6:57:53 AM PDT by .45 Long Colt
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