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To: Biggirl; CynicalBear
Luke 11:1-13

Now Jesus was praying in a certain place, and when he finished, one of his disciples said to him, “Lord, teach us to pray, as John taught his disciples.” 2 And he said to them, “When you pray, say:

“Father, hallowed be your name. Your kingdom come. 3 Give us each day our daily bread, 4 and forgive us our sins, for we ourselves forgive everyone who is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation.”

5 And he said to them, “Which of you who has a friend will go to him at midnight and say to him, ‘Friend, lend me three loaves, 6 for a friend of mine has arrived on a journey, and I have nothing to set before him’; 7 and he will answer from within, ‘Do not bother me; the door is now shut, and my children are with me in bed. I cannot get up and give you anything’?

8 I tell you, though he will not get up and give him anything because he is his friend, yet because of his impudence he will rise and give him whatever he needs. 9 And I tell you, ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. 10 For everyone who asks receives, and the one who seeks finds, and to the one who knocks it will be opened.

11 What father among you, if his son asks for a fish, will instead of a fish give him a serpent; 12 or if he asks for an egg, will give him a scorpion? 13 If you then, who are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will the heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to those who ask him!”

Where this teaching came from that God the Father isn't sufficient to answer our prayers is beyond me. Well, actually, not. It's from the pit.

Jesus PROMISED us that God the Father would hear and answer our prayers and beyond what we expect.

What a spit in the face of God to pray to others as if He would not hear us and answer us Himself.

382 posted on 07/14/2013 8:14:23 PM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: metmom
What a spit in the face of God to pray to others as if He would not hear us and answer us Himself.

Do you ask others to pray for you?

384 posted on 07/14/2013 8:16:27 PM PDT by St_Thomas_Aquinas ( Isaiah 22:22, Matthew 16:19, Revelation 3:7)
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To: metmom; Biggirl
>>What a spit in the face of God to pray to others as if He would not hear us and answer us Himself.<<

And a total denial and disrespect for what Christ accomplished.

402 posted on 07/14/2013 8:28:31 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: metmom
You quoted Jesus: "“When you pray, say: “Father, hallowed be your name. Your kingdom come. 3 Give us each day our daily bread, 4 and forgive us our sins, for we ourselves forgive everyone who is indebted to us. And lead us not into temptation.”

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So, if you explicitly and literally follow those instructions from Jesus that you quoted there ("When you pray, say...", you would never say ANY OTHER prayer using ANY OTHER words but the exact, specific words of the "Lord's Prayer", saying exactly what Jesus explicitly stated you should say there in Luke (or the more widely used variant in Matthew) -- the "Our Father".

Do you honestly and perfectly adhere to that, making the only prayer that you ever pray the "Our Father", or do you take that as just one form of prayer advocated and approved by Jesus, but not the only words to use, or the only good prayer, and personally say other prayers as well, using completely different words, which Jesus did NOT explicitly specify in Matthew or Luke or anywhere else in the Bible?

464 posted on 07/14/2013 10:34:54 PM PDT by Heart-Rest (Good reading ==> | ncregister.com | catholic.com | ewtn.com | newadvent.org |)
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