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To: JCBreckenridge

So, let me get this right....

The CCC and the ex cathedra proclamations of the past popes to not really mean what they said?

IOW, when the pope was infallibly speaking on there being no salvation outside the Catholic church, then it wasn’t really infallible? Or what?

Tell me how two contradictory things can be true at the same time.


1,057 posted on 07/17/2013 10:14:49 AM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: metmom

“IOW, when the pope was infallibly speaking”

When was the doctrine of papal infalliability promulgated?

Which declarations by the pope are considered part of papal infalliability?

“the infallibility claimed for the pope is the same in its nature, scope, and extent as that which the Church as a whole possesses; his ex cathedra teaching does not have to be ratified by the Church’s in order to be infallible.”

This is important. Papal infalliability is an extension of the infalliability of the Magisterium as a whole.

“infallibility is not attributed to every doctrinal act of the pope, but only to his ex cathedra teaching; and the conditions required for ex cathedra teaching are mentioned in the Vatican decree”

Tome to Flavian”, Pope Leo I, 449, on the two natures in Christ, received by the Council of Chalcedon;
2.Letter of Pope Agatho, 680, on the two wills of Christ, received by the Third Council of Constantinople;
3.Benedictus Deus, Pope Benedict XII, 1336, on the beatific vision of the just after death rather than only just prior to final judgment;[70]
4.Cum occasione, Pope Innocent X, 1653, condemning five propositions of Jansen as heretical;
5.Auctorem fidei, Pope Pius VI, 1794, condemning seven Jansenist propositions of the Synod of Pistoia as heretical;
6.Ineffabilis Deus, Pope Pius IX, 1854, defining the Immaculate Conception;
7.Munificentissimus Deus, Pope Pius XII, 1950, defining the Assumption of Mary.

There’s the list.


1,069 posted on 07/17/2013 10:24:45 AM PDT by JCBreckenridge ("we are pilgrims in an unholy land")
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To: metmom; JCBreckenridge
So, let me get this right....

The CCC and the ex cathedra proclamations of the past popes to not really mean what they said?

IOW, when the pope was infallibly speaking on there being no salvation outside the Catholic church, then it wasn’t really infallible? Or what?

No JC is saying that you just don't comprehend what you are reading.

Tell me how two contradictory things can be true at the same time They aren't just your (Mis)understanding.

1,087 posted on 07/17/2013 10:59:59 AM PDT by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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