Where Does the Bible Say We Should Pray to Dead Saints?

catholic-convert ^ | July 11, 2012 | Steve Ray

[P.O.E.]

Is it only the living that can pray intercession for others?

[Salvation]

Big distinction — they knew Christ in person and carried out his plan to save the world by traveling from India to England and everywhere in between.

They were the first Bishops of the Catholic Church.

[Iscool]

If there existed a canon in Apostolic times, why would Marcion publish his canon and argue that *THIS* was the correct list of books?

Because he was a very rich Gnostic like so many others...

Marcion's list left out most of Luke and the rest of the Gospels...It left out Hebrews and Revelation...And he left out many verses of what what left...

[daniel1212]

When asked by His disciples to teach them to pray, Jesus taught them (us) to pray to the Father. He gave no instructions otherwise.

True. "Our Father who at in Heaven, hallowed be Thine name," not Mary..

[daniel1212]

Note that the Latin and Byzantine canons differ slightly, while it is hard to believe there is much to be added to what has already been shown re the canon, and even repeated, like in,

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2891087/posts?page=990#990

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2891087/posts?page=974#974

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/3003863/posts?page=260#260

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/3003863/posts?page=226#226

Have a God night.

[CynicalBear]

We have our own Shepard and “Bishop” in Christ.

1 Pet. 2:25 For ye were as sheep going astray; but are now returned unto the Shepherd and Bishop of your souls.

[St_Thomas_Aquinas]

The headline begs the question, "Where in the Bible does it say that 'the Bible alone' is the sole rule of faith?"

[CynicalBear]

>> Is it only the living that can pray intercession for others?<<

Ecclesiastes 9:5 For the living know that they shall die: but the dead know not any thing, neither have they any more a reward; for the memory of them is forgotten. 6 Also their love, and their hatred, and their envy, is now perished; neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.

[P.O.E.]

neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun

Their souls, too?

[Greetings_Puny_Humans]

Thank you for those very useful links!

[Iscool]

Jesus Christ isn’t your religion?

Christianity is my religion...Jesus Christ is my Savior...And my Savior says, 'Do not put one human above another, or esteem one above another' as your religion does...

[Arthur McGowan]

WHICH dead are being described?

Note: “under the sun.”

[JCBreckenridge]

Again, there wasn’t an apostolic canon.

[daniel1212]

In what dictionary does “profitable” means “excluding everything else”?

Contrary to the strawman often used, SS does not exclude everything else, as Scripture actually provides for things such as reason, nature, the church etc. as Westminster affirms. The "sola" refers to Scripture being alone as the infallible standard for faith and practice, with its sufficiency existing in the formal ore material sense. See lengthy response to this here if you want: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/3034405/posts?page=484#484

[JCBreckenridge]

So your response to my honest question, “where can I find the Church of God”

is to mock me? I see.

[JCBreckenridge]

Which apparently means you believe Jesus is merely man.

[CynicalBear]

>>Their souls, too?<<

They have nothing to do with what is happening here. Read the verse again. Want to question what God said? Take it up with Him.

[JCBreckenridge]

“I’m going to have to stick with what the Jews actually claimed to believe.”

So which is it? Did, or did not the Jews write the LXX?

“they believed based on Christian copies of the LXX which aren’t even all the same.”

Question. What’s the oldest manuscript of the LXX extant?

[CynicalBear]

neither have they any more a portion for ever in any thing that is done under the sun.

They no longer have anything to do with what is happening here on earth. AKA they don’t here your prayers and can’t do anything about what happens. They are not omniscient, omnipresent nor are they active in what transpires here on earth (under the sun).

[daniel1212]

And i have shown that it was not only the 11 apostles that were there when this statement was given, though leadership is who normally exercises authority, while all are subject to Scripture, contra,

God Himself is obliged to abide by the judgment of His priest, and either not to pardon or to pardon, according as they refuse or give absolution… The sentence of the priest precedes, and God subscribes to it.” – Dignity and Duties of the Priest, St. Alphonsus Ligouri, Vol. 12, p. 2. http://www.archive.org/stream/alphonsusworks12liguuoft/alphonsusworks12liguuoft_djvu.txt