But I will not argue with you or try to convince you.
You WON'T??
Posted on 07/14/2013 3:02:43 PM PDT by NYer
It shows you aren't looking for God. The worldly man take heed: Lean not unto your own understanding which is 'logic'.
"For My thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways My ways, said the LORD. For as the heavens are higher than the earth, so are My ways higher than your ways, and My thoughts than your thoughts." …
But I will not argue with you or try to convince you.
You WON'T??
I understand you point. On the other hand petitioning a saint, who is a member of the Church triumphant, requesting his prayers for your behalf, does not seem like the same thing.
So you are taking a 'earthly' view of things and applying them to the Kingdom of God. You can do that all you want but it's not the way 'those in Christ' view the things/words of God.
So you need to be 'in Christ' to understand and now I know where your lack of understanding comes from as you are off based as you take from what is of the world/natural and apply it to the words of JESUS/supernatural. The worldly things have nothing to do with walking in faith - so 'think' before you proclaim.
Keep chatting away, the clock is ticking away.
You: I did no such thing. If that is what you got from that it was a misunderstanding on your part. It certainly was not what I wrote nor what I meant. Seems to be a trend.
My comment above was based upon what you said in post #910: Surely you read his post where he said OUR prayers. Why...the...comeback with what THE PSALMIST prayed? He didn’t say ALL prayers. He specifically said OUR prayers didn’t he? [CynicalBear]
In post 910, you made a clear distinction between...
..."OUR" prayers vs. prayers originating from "THE PSALMIST"
Our prayers are sometimes based upon prayers already in the Bible, right? There's a long temple dedicatory prayer in the OT; Paul has several; the Psalmists have many.
I simply referenced (in a round-about way) that if we were to pray thru the Psalms, that almost 10% of our prayers would include imprecatory ones. You then tried to make a distinction 'tween OUR prayers -- and that of the Psalmists -- as if we would ne'er pray thru the Psalms...
I interpreted that as an assumption.
As you know, prayers of the psalmists have often been turned into contemporary praise songs. Those are specific examples where "the Psalmists'" petitions become ours as we give them over to the Lord during worship.
OUR prayers as the Body of Christ thru generations have indeed been the Psalmist's prayers; likewise, the Lord's Prayer has have indeed been "OUR Prayer."
So, no, I wouldn't assume es, the Lord prayed it; we wouldn't assume that it didn't become "OUR" prayer, right?
So why raise this as some sort of distinction?
(Rolling my eyes)
(Oh sure, NO preacher, no pastor in his pulpit, no priest, EVER gives 'EARTHLY' examples...In fact, we 'ALL KNOW' Jesus NEVER cites any 'EARTHLY' examples in His parables...or the Bible NEVER uses common elements of the earth...nature...wildlife...harvesting food...the weather/climate...as illustrations or word pix /sarc)
(Oh, Lord, spare me from such drivel)
You WILL notice, that Christmas carols...and hymns/praise songs...the OTHER examples I gave...is hardly only an "earthly" application...are they? Well, I guess, in one sense, you can't get any more "earthly" than the Son of God's condescension with His incarnation into dirty diapers.
(But hey, if baby Jesus' dirty diapers are just too overwhelmingly "earthly" for ya, just move on into your transcendent sphere above)
NO, I didn’t. I simply pointed out what he had posted. I made no distinction about prayer whatsoever. I simply was pointing out that it appeared to me you had made an assumption of what he was saying which, it seems to me, you have done on many of your posts of late.
I see your obsession with the Catholic Church as sickening and your expressions of it as venom. That’s the TRUTH.
The Lord says: "These people come near to me with their mouth and honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. Their worship of me is based on merely human rules they have been taught. Isaiah 29:13
“‘These people honor me with their lips, but their hearts are far from me. They worship me in vain; their teachings are merely human rules". Matt 15:8,9
It’s YOUR Truth which means squat in God’s Kingdom where HIS TRUTH reigns.
Be sick all you want - you might want to check your venom as the cause and your obsession to it.
Go preach your “truth” in a Catholic country, and please report back if those devils don’t eat you alive!
” On the other hand petitioning a saint, who is a member of the Church triumphant, requesting his prayers for your behalf, does not seem like the same thing.”
Well, we are not supposed to, or the Bible would so tell us - if we are in need of prayer, it seems God has provided fellow saints alongside us who can join us in prayer. Certainly I do this regularly, perhaps you do also. Calling up the dead in some fashion or another is not appropriate. Why not call a friend?
-— Calling up the dead in some fashion or another is not appropriate.——
The saints in heaven are not dead. They are fully alive,.
Secondly, they are as much a part of the unified, mystical Body of Christ as we are. We are one with them.
Thirdly, we ate not conjuring spirits, like the witch of Endor. We are asking our brothers and sisters in glory to pray for us.
—— Why not call a friend? ——
The prayer of a righteous man availeth much, and our glorified brethren are certainly righteous.
You know, that brings up a point as someone mentioned before.
If Catholics are so big on doing good works to get into heaven, why NOT ask fellow living saints to pray for them?
Really, by going to those who are already in heaven and not asking living-here-on-earth-believers, they are cheating those other believers living here on earth of the opportunity to do good works.
Do not discount this question, I am not trying to be a smartass......
If we all have a soul, where does it come from, who or what gave it to us?
If it was given to us from heaven, does heaven have an unlimited amount of souls to give to us humans? Does heaven recapture our souls once we die?
Since the population on this planet is growing astronomically and my assumption is that heaven provides us with our souls, how can heaven keep up with the soul assignments?
I know that sounds stupid but it's the best way I could ask this question...........
-— Really, by going to those who are already in heaven and not asking living-here-on-earth-believers, they are cheating those other believers living here on earth of the opportunity to do good works. ——
Catholics have been known to do both, since the acts are not mutually exclusive.
Additionally, good works are not to be despised. Remember the Golden Rule?
There is ONLY ONE TRUTH, JESUS THE WORD. I left what you call 'cc' and still praising The LORD and having fellowship with My Father who calls me HIS!
And JESUS is The Truth, the Way and the LIFE and no one goes to The Father but through JESUS THE WORD.
Devils have no power but to deceive - they can't eat. Those bodies submitted to evil want those who speak TRUTH far away from them. They tremble at truth, they shout at truth, they get sick at truth, they get offended at truth.
It’s a long topic. Do you really want to know what the Vedas teach? I could tell you if you want to know.
Actually you are saying that Editor surveys answer is not logical since he agrees with at least half my answer, and metmom hasn't had the guts to even try to answer just make rude comments with out the courtesy pings she whined about to others.
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