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To: verga
The errors in theology abound in that post.

Hades is not hell.

Hades is a waiting place for the dead that people who lived before Christ waited. There is no Scriptural reference to being purged from sin. Yes, Jesus did descend to Hades. It says so and says that He was not abandoned to it.

In the account of the rich man and Lazarus, Abraham says this.....

Luke 16:22-26 22 The poor man died and was carried by the angels to Abraham's side. The rich man also died and was buried, 23 and in Hades, being in torment, he lifted up his eyes and saw Abraham far off and Lazarus at his side. 24 And he called out, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus to dip the end of his finger in water and cool my tongue, for I am in anguish in this flame.’ 25 But Abraham said, ‘Child, remember that you in your lifetime received your good things, and Lazarus in like manner bad things; but now he is comforted here, and you are in anguish. 26 And besides all this, between us and you a great chasm has been fixed, in order that those who would pass from here to you may not be able, and none may cross from there to us.’

There's no getting out of whereever you end up on Hades. You can't cross over.

Hades has yet to be thrown into the lake of fire.

As far as suffering to cleanse from sin, that is completely unscriptural. It's only the shedding of blood that cleanses from sin.

Hebrews 9:22 Indeed, under the law almost everything is purified with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins.

And once sin has been forgiven, it's gone. There's nothing left to pay for.

Hebrews 9-11-14 11 But when Christ appeared as a high priest of the good things that have come, then through the greater and more perfect tent (not made with hands, that is, not of this creation) 12 he entered once for all into the holy places, not by means of the blood of goats and calves but by means of his own blood, thus securing an eternal redemption. 13 For if the blood of goats and bulls, and the sprinkling of defiled persons with the ashes of a heifer, sanctify for the purification of the flesh, 14 how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without blemish to God, purify our conscience from dead works to serve the living God.

Hebrews 9:24-28 24 For Christ has entered, not into holy places made with hands, which are copies of the true things, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God on our behalf. 25 Nor was it to offer himself repeatedly, as the high priest enters the holy places every year with blood not his own, 26 for then he would have had to suffer repeatedly since the foundation of the world. But as it is, he has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself. 27 And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment, 28 so Christ, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time, not to deal with sin but to save those who are eagerly waiting for him.

Hebrews 10:11-1811 And every priest stands daily at his service, offering repeatedly the same sacrifices, which can never take away sins. 12 But when Christ had offered for all time a single sacrifice for sins, he sat down at the right hand of God, 13 waiting from that time until his enemies should be made a footstool for his feet. 14 For by a single offering he has perfected for all time those who are being sanctified.

15 And the Holy Spirit also bears witness to us; for after saying, 16 “This is the covenant that I will make with them after those days, declares the Lord: I will put my laws on their hearts, and write them on their minds,” 17 then he adds, “I will remember their sins and their lawless deeds no more.” 18 Where there is forgiveness of these, there is no longer any offering for sin.

Where there is forgiveness of these, there is no longer any offering for sin.

No more offering. Suffering can't do it because it isn't adequate.

Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death, but the free gift of God is eternal life in Christ Jesus our Lord.

The wages we get for our sin is death.

Galatians 2:20-21 20 I have been crucified with Christ. It is no longer I who live, but Christ who lives in me. And the life I now live in the flesh I live by faith in the Son of God, who loved me and gave himself for me. 21 I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose.

If righteousness could be gained by ANYTHING but Christ, Christ died for nothing. But it can't, therefore the death of Christ was necessary.

Sounds like people figure they can sin and just pay it off in purgatory. Since they know they're saved anyway, they can go ahead and sin with impunity. Hey, they're saved anyway, right? It just takes them a little longer to get there.

And Christians are condemned for a cavalier attitude toward sin because they believe that once saved, always saved? The hypocrisy abounds.

133 posted on 06/23/2013 5:35:29 AM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: metmom
?The errors in theology abound in that post.

Only to the dull and ignorant.

Did you read what you wrote before you posted it?

144 posted on 06/23/2013 7:28:24 AM PDT by verga (A nation divided by Zero!)
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To: metmom
“...ignorance may ask a question in three lines, which it will cost learning and ingenuity thirty pages to answer, and when this is done, the same question shall be triumphantly asked again next year, as if nothing had ever been written on the subject”. - Anglican Bishop Horne 1831

Reminds me of the incessant debates that go on in these kinds of threads. It won't matter how many Scriptures we post, some will close their ears to God's truth and ask the same questions next chance they get. Ears only get opened when God opens them.

202 posted on 06/23/2013 5:11:29 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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