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To: Secret Agent Man; Iscool
>> but YOU can walk away from it and reject it<<

So you say that a person can thwart God’s plan or “reject it” regardless of what He says?

John 10: 25 Jesus answered, “I did tell you, but you do not believe. The works I do in my Father’s name testify about me, 26 but you do not believe because you are not my sheep. 27 My sheep listen to my voice; I know them, and they follow me. 28 I give them eternal life, and they shall never perish; no one will snatch them out of my hand. 29 My Father, who has given them to me, is greater than all[c]; no one can snatch them out of my Father’s hand. 30 I and the Father are one.”

80 posted on 06/16/2013 1:31:44 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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To: CynicalBear

Look at the context of the sentence.

He is discussing believers. They are a separate group from those who would take them away - this other group He refers to are the “no one’s”.

What He is saying is that if you are a believer there is nobody else who has the ability to make you give up your faith. He doesn’t say that it is impossible for YOU to reject your faith. However He does make the promise elsewhere that if you are His He will finish the good work He started in you.

As we have free will still, we are still able to turn our own backs on God if we become lax and grow further and further distant from Him. It’s not Him taking it away from us, it would be that own person’s decision to say No.

Why on earth they would ever do so is beyond me. But we have seen great people who started out strong, were by all accounts faithful, some even great preachers, by their own words bringing others to Christ, only to later in life fall away.

I just take God at His Word and that He has my back, He wants me with Him, He’s looking out for me, wants the best for me, and will complete the good work in me, despite me, for the sake of what Jesus went through for me and everyone else.

Now if you are a believer and you stop believing, for any number of possibilities, you don’t believe that God has your back, you may stop believing in all of it. People have free will and in this life God does not make it impossible for you to reject Him, before or after you are saved, He doesn’t alter your free will so that it is impossible once saved, to not say no to Him. Mature belivers would find such an act crazy to even think about doing, but it isn’t out of the realm of possibility.


84 posted on 06/16/2013 1:47:46 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; Not averse to Going Bronson.)
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