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To: CynicalBear

“Oh really? PETER is NOWHERE called the Apostle to the Gentiles! This precludes him from going to Rome to become the head of a Gentile community.”

Just as it doesn’t record St. Thomas going to India or St. Mark going to Ethiopia.

That was the entire point, CB. The argument made is that these two churches were older than the Church in Rome, which seems a rather silly argument.

This is an even worse one. Really? It precludes other apostles ministering to gentiles? There’s no scriptural evidence for this.

“Peter’s commission was to the circumcised not to the Gentiles.”

Of which Rome had both. Hence the letter of Paul which speaks of Jews and Gentiles.

“It was Paul who was commissioned to be the apostle to the Roman Gentiles.”

Not scripture, sadly.

“we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision”

Again, Jews in Rome were a big part of the congregation there. Nothing here is said of Rome.

“Paul established the church in Rome.”

Not scripture.

“I long to see you, that I may impart unto you some spiritual gift, to the end ye may be established”

Not what he’s saying here at all. He’s writing to the church already there. Otherwise he’d not be writing to it if it didn’t exist.

“No one had established a church there before him.”

Not scripture again, sadly.

“Yea, so have I strived to preach the gospel, not where Christ was named, lest I should build upon another man’s foundation”

Yet he travelled with Barnabas. So he clearly didn’t have a problem with collaboration between not just the apostles either. Again, you’re reading into things that are not there.

“Would you argue not only that Peter would go against his commission to the Jews but that Paul lied and actually went into the church in Rome”

Did he preach to the Church in Rome prior to his eventual arrest and execution?


90 posted on 06/13/2013 2:23:37 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Un Pere, Une Mere, C'est elementaire)
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To: JCBreckenridge
>>This is an even worse one. Really? It precludes other apostles ministering to gentiles?<<

Peter’s commission by Christ was specifically to the Jews. Paul’s was specifically to the Gentiles. Paul established the church in Rome. You can deny what scripture says all you want but it’s plainly stated.

"And when James, Cephas [Peter], and John, who seemed to be pillars, perceived the grace [i.e., the gift or office] that was given unto me, they gave to me and Barnabas the right hands of fellowship; that we should go unto the heathen, and they unto the circumcision" (Gal. 2:9).

II Timothy 1:11 "Whereunto I am appointed a preacher, and an apostle, and a teacher of the Gentiles."

>>Did he preach to the Church in Rome prior to his eventual arrest and execution?<<

Show from scripture where he did or that he was ever in Rome.

97 posted on 06/13/2013 2:50:36 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ)
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