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To: Repulican Donkey
My you are a bird walker. In your rush to say “nanny nanny boo boo” you missed the point. The only point I am making is that our American view on history is colored by our English heritage and that heritage is colored by Henry VIII’s dynastic progeny difficulties and Henry’s decision to make himself “head of the church in England”. He achieved his Defender of the Faith moniker for refuting Luther. Once he broke with Rome, any teacher, historian or writer did so at peril of his life. Ask Thomas More. In your “Oh, please” doesn’t address my point: Charles Martel, Ferdinand and Isabella, Jan Sobieski are either untaught or unrecognized in English / American military history.

I am not missing any point. I declared the point too narrow. The OP is, like you seemed to have, glossing over the horrible atrocities the Roman church has intentionally performed. If you care to complain about Martel not being taught, why then shouldn't De Montfort be taught too? why did that fail to come to mind?

Regarding the Crusades: the Bible is replete with epistles to churches throughout present day Turkey, Lebanon, Iraq and Syria. The same is true of North Africa. Islam conquered and destroyed all of them. The Crusades were a defensive response to Islamic expansionism.

not the ones in Europe. And the Jews might have a different view of the 'defensive responses' of the Roman church in the Holy Land and Spain.

50 posted on 06/13/2013 4:35:19 PM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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To: roamer_1
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51 posted on 06/13/2013 4:42:46 PM PDT by Natural Law (Jesus did not leave us a book, He left us a Church.)
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To: roamer_1

Not to put too fine a “pint” on it, what “horrible attrocities” has the Church of Rome committed that were worse than those committed by Protestants? In the religious wars in France and later in Germany, both sides acted with savagery. In England, the government of Elizabeth persecuted both Puritans and Papists with zeal, but killed as many Papists as Mary killed Protestants. Oliver Cromwell was as savage in his suppression of the Catholic uprising in Ireland as the Inquisition had been in the Netherlands.


57 posted on 06/13/2013 11:55:39 PM PDT by RobbyS
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