[stfassisi]

A simple "this is" the body & blood can suffice.

Here it is from +Augustine

“What you see is the bread and the chalice; that is what your own eyes report to you. But what your faith obliges you to accept is that THE BREAD IS THE BODY OF CHRIST AND THE CHALICE [WINE] THE BLOOD OF CHRIST.” (Sermons 272)

[BlueDragon]

Here it is? A "truncated" quote? Which was not CAPITALIZED in the original? What's up with that?

Can you not understand my meanings in that which I wrote? Perhaps it be due to having already made up one's mind, concerning that which they *think* others believe?

I will ask you plainly, and I do demand plain answer;

Do you confess the underlying "species", the physical elements of Eucharist wafer themselves, remain unchanged? Yes, or no. Pick one, and stick to it.

Then you may freely discuss the issue from that perspective, and perhaps find much agreement.