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Well that...and while cut/paste is derided (but not for Romanist promotional thread which flood this forum!) we are fighting software and programming which is cribbed from (or sometimes quoted without attribution, I do wonder) and an array of other apologetic writings either cribbed from, or having phraseology inspired from if not directly lifted from.

The results at times refute themselves, even in the same sentence, though more typically each error of assumption which is part of the overall storyliine, is tied well to some other subtlety, with it generally meshing well enough (if one puts on the Rome-colored glasses) that the slight changes become mistaken for truth itself, when in actuality when they do depart from scripture but stay near enough in spirit to truth -- can still be misunderstood when examining those items with eyes of flesh, rather than spirit --- and so it's away we go, off to the races, with ever more magic moveable rabbit holes to trip the unwary who've been enticed into to giving chase.

One of the frustrating things about trying to have a conversation on an Internet forum is that some people have no patience for reading well-researched and footnoted posts. They complain that someone is "spamming" the forum. They prefer a simple one or two sentence reply when, many times, it is an inadequate way to give a subject the context and attention one needs to fully explain the thought behind the comment. Even when just Scripture is quoted, some people STILL assert another's "personal interpretation" is behind it rather than reading for themselves what God's word has to say and how it addresses the topic being discussed.

When you take a child and, year after year repeat the rote dogmas so often that it gets committed to memory, the person becomes indoctrinated into the religion with few ever venturing further to fully grasp the essence of why something is believed. It happens in all religions, of course. The subject of this thread concerned the illiteracy of the laity (people who aren't the clergy) when it comes to the tenets of the Catholic faith. Many Catholics on this forum blame inadequate catechism for the many former Catholics who unashamedly voice their reasons here for leaving the Catholic church for the true Gospel of the grace of God. Such a defense is rejected out of hand by some because it is impossible to accept that truth can be found outside of the walls of the Roman church - it IS what their Popes have asserted, after all. No manner of explanation or argument can be accepted since to do so would require the rejection of what was established as truth in the past. Though they find themselves trapped between the two dogmas - "no salvation outside of the Roman church" proclaimed by one Pope (extra ecclesiam nulla salus) or "the Church knows that she is joined in many ways to the baptized who are honored by the name of Christ" (Lumen Gentium, 15), some here will NEVER accept that millions of souls have found the true faith of Christ and belong to the universal body of Christ. It is easier to ridicule and mock, intimidate, deride and scold - and which just might help them sleep at night - than to welcome those who have received and follow the Lord Jesus Christ in spirit and truth.

I try to not let them get to me and will not cease to speak as the Lord leads me. God bless you both as you continue to be open to the direction of the Holy Spirit as we do the work he has created for us. Your efforts are NOT in vain!