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To: JCBreckenridge
I’ve explained how you are wrong.

Where?

The Magisterium makes decisions based on the majority of bishops.

So then we can conclude that the magisterium isn't being led by the Holy Spirit after all.

If it's being led by the Holy Spirit, then by the standards that Catholics hold non-Catholics to, it should be unanimous. After alol, it's the same Holy Spirit in all of them, is it not? How can He give them two different or contradictory opinions?

1,117 posted on 06/04/2013 10:11:13 AM PDT by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: metmom
"So then we can conclude that the magisterium isn't being led by the Holy Spirit after all."

Absolutely not. The Holy Spirit (the Paraclete) guides today exactly like it did in Acts 15.

Peace be to you

1,122 posted on 06/04/2013 11:10:42 AM PDT by Natural Law (Jesus did not leave us a book, He left us a Church.)
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To: metmom

“Where?”

Several posts ago and here.

“So then we can conclude that the magisterium isn’t being led by the Holy Spirit after all.”

Your argument:

1, the Holy Spirit is only in Churches where the elders are unanimously in agreement, is false.

Say, I turn this around. Give me a denomination where the elders are in unanimous agreement on every point of scripture. :)

I’ll save you the time. What it means is that no elders have any authority whatsoever, if this were true.

However, we know from Scripture that Christ promises that the Gates of Hell will not overcome his Church. And since Christ isn’t a liar, this means that his Church existed in the first century and existed today.

This rules out every protestant church since there is a gap of 1500 years from their formation and Christ.

So who does that leave? The Orthodox and the Catholic church. So, are you claiming then that the Orthodox are unanimous? Obviously not because you are not one.

What we can conclude is that while you believe in personal infalliability - that you really don’t believe that uniformity is an important principle. So why are you saddling the Catholic church with this belief that doesn’t appear anywhere in scripture?

Scripture in fact addresses this. Scripture shows that Peter himself was wrong. Does that mean that Peter was never infused with the Holy Spirit?

“How can He give them two different or contradictory opinions?”

I might ask you the same thing. You say you are motivated by the Holy spirit, and yet you disagree with me. Are you saying that I am not motivated by the Holy Spirit because I disagree with you?


1,152 posted on 06/04/2013 3:16:23 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
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