Posted on 05/31/2013 2:44:05 PM PDT by NYer
If I bowed down to it and prayed to it, and ask it to provide grace and salvation for me, absolutely yes...
What if it sits on my shelf? Is that okay then?
It is my observation from my experiences with family members, acquaintances and my work with converting and former Protestants, that we see Protestantism played out at a micro level in the church shoppers and the store front and house church congregations. The inability to accept an authority other than themselves always leads to doctrinal disputes and animus and personal enmity when others refuse to accept their interpretations and doctrinal theories. Of course there are exceptions, but too often for these, the purpose of "Sunday go to meetin'" is not about God, community and worship, but about ego.
Jesus chose Mary to see if Mary would chose Jesus...Likely then that Jesus chose someone else before Mary and that girl said no...Maybe lotsa times...
And then you guys criticize Mormons for making stuff up???
Can’t say I would agree with that assessment. I used to go to a Mennonite Church for about 4 years, from 2001 to about 2003. After that I shared time with the Catholic church for a year, and then went exclusively Catholic in my last year in RCIA from 2004 in the summer onwards.
I’ve attended non Catholic services three times in the 8 years since then.
... and Mary was born of her own mother in turn.
Jesus Christ was born not subject to original sin. He was fully God. He was also fully human and therefore subjected to temptation, of this scripture amply informs us. He did not, however, sin. Therefore he was sinless in human form, without blemish, within all the Old Testament strictures pertaining to sacrifice.
His mother, Mary, found favor with God, of this scripture also informs us. All else is elaborate medieval speculation centering upon the mechanics of physical conception, but ultimately concluding that God can protect a child from a mother’s sin nature in the womb.
Jesus was protected frpm Mary’s sin nature in the womb.
So if the Catholic church is wrong, what’s the alternative and correct explanation?
Wow! That is all I can respond to this. So Mary didn't die a bodily death? The farther one goes down the Catholic rabbit hole, the more surreal.
The lifeguard who prevents me from swimming where there is a dangerous rip tide save my life every bit as much as the lifeguard who paddles out on a surf board to rescue me from that rip tide. Mary was saved by Jesus when she was preserved from sin. Mary was saved because of Her complete and unconditional faith and cooperation, not by it.
Peace be with you
She was a normal person. She was born into sin. She sinned. God chose her for a special task. And she died a bodily death.
That belongs in the same book as Little Miss Muffet and Tom Thumb...
Jesus had to have been born to a sinful human so he could bear the temptations humans go thru...
Only surreal to Southern Baptards.
That belongs in the same book as Little Miss Muffet and Tom Thumb...
Jesus had to have been born to a sinful human so he could bear the temptations humans go thru...
"Build a man a fire you warm him for a day. Set a man on fire you warm him for the rest of his life" - Jean Calvin
If she was compelled from without it wasn’t faith and cooperation, Natural Law. It was predestination on an individual level.
Where is that in the Bible?
The problem is far more fundamental than you not understanding Catholic teaching, you don't appear to understand worship.
I’m sure there was some purpose for this posting but it escapes me. So somebody else burned martyrs too. What does that prove exactly? Does that excuse it? Yes I read “Matthew 7:5 - for the benefit of those who enjoy pointing fingers of blame”. I don’t enjoy pointing fingers of blame but I don’t shirk from it either. The Catholic Church did many terrible things in the name of God. Jesus did not authorize it. They (the manmade institutions) did it on their own.
“Jesus was protected frpm Mary’s sin nature in the womb.”
This is contrary to what is taught about Christ’s human nature. Christ inherited a pristine human nature that was free from sin. From Mary.
Mary was not compelled, She freely consented. Foreknowledge of Her choice is not predestination.
Peace be with you
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