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To: Gamecock

Here’s a Catholic article that tries to clarify what he meant:

http://www.catholicvote.org/what-pope-francis-really-said-about-atheists/

” Pope Francis did not say that an atheist who does naturally good things can be saved if he dies an atheist. Yet that is the impression given by Catholic Online’s half truth headline…

The Pope… simply reminded the faithful that there can be, and is, goodness, or natural virtue, outside the Church. And that Christ’s death on the Cross redeemed all men. He paid the price so that every man could come to God and be saved.

If Catholic Online is insinuating that Pope Francis has “reformed” the irreformable dogma, outside the Church there is no salvation, then that is shameful and disingenuous.”


15 posted on 05/24/2013 6:49:24 AM PDT by MNDude (Sorry for typos. Probably written on a smartphone, and I have big clumsy fingers.)
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To: MNDude
I posted the link to the full text of the homily on the other thread discussing this. The Pope never uses the words "heaven," "salvation," or "saved", so how can he be saying that atheists can be saved apart from grace by their own works?

Instead, he's talking about some sort of "encounter". Sounds to me like he's saying we can work with atheists of good will to build a more civil and just society here on earth. Nothing very shocking about that. Perhaps, through that experience, atheists can come to an appreciation of the Gospel and grow into people of faith. It's happened before.

It's surprising to me how many people love to believe the Pope said something scandalous, based on any number of "news" articles or "analyses" by third parties pretending to tell us what the Pope really meant, without paying much attention to what he actually said. After all, it's not like the Pope's actual words are hard to find.

Is it that way with every public figure, or is the Pope singled out for that special sort of [cough] affection?

20 posted on 05/24/2013 6:59:37 AM PDT by Campion ("Social justice" begins in the womb)
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To: MNDude
Thank you MNDude for clarifying this, good post.
32 posted on 05/24/2013 7:23:09 AM PDT by 2001convSVT (Going Galt as fast as I can.)
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To: MNDude; Gamecock; Salvation; Alex Murphy
From your article:

The Pope has not only stated that everyone is included in redemption, but that it's not a matter of faith. It's a matter of duty to do good. Do good things and we'll all meet around the Crystal Sea.

It's refreshing to hear the Pope honestly preach the Catholic doctrine.

62 posted on 05/24/2013 10:10:00 AM PDT by HarleyD
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To: MNDude

That makes sense.

Also, have yet to hear this Pope claim that salvation is obtainable only through the Roman Catholic Church.


88 posted on 05/24/2013 7:23:19 PM PDT by SeaHawkFan
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