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To: BipolarBob; editor-surveyor
Dear Diamond; I don't know of a diplomatic way to say this but you are wrong, wrong and wrong. There is no such prophecy regarding the end of the Sabbath. None. I'm sure you would like for there to be one but alas, it is not there.

You don't know what you don't know.

I will cite the prophecy of when the sabbath would be over, and it's fulfillment.

The crooked dealers with their dishonest scales in Amos 8 who begrudged even the sabbaths and feast days as interruptions in their business ask:

Amos 8:5
"When will the new moon be gone, that we may sell corn? and the Sabbath, that we may set forth wheat?"

And this is Amos' answer to their question, "When will the new moon... and the sabbath ... be over?:

Amos 8:9
"And it shall come to pass in that day, saith the Lord God, that I will cause the sun to go down at noon, and I will darken the earth in a clear day.
Amos prophesies a supernatural event at some undetermined future time. The only event ever known that fulfills it is that of the supernatural darkening of the sun for three hours, when Jesus was crucified:
Mark 15:33
And when the sixth hour was come, there was darkness over the whole land until the ninth hour."

That is when the feast of new moons and the Sabbath ended.

The set order of Jewish serives enumerated by Paul in Colossians 2:14-16; daily, weekly, monthly and yearly, Paul says were done away with, nailed to the cross, in a passage which entails some of the exact language of this very same passage in Amos, namely; "new moon", and "Sabbath".

That which was "written and engraved in stones" is done away.

Cordially

244 posted on 05/15/2013 6:03:11 AM PDT by Diamond (He has erected a multitude of new offices, and sent hither swarms of officers to harass our people,)
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To: Diamond

that’s the worse argument i have ever heard.


248 posted on 05/15/2013 10:21:29 AM PDT by wafflehouse (RE-ELECT NO ONE !)
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To: Diamond; BipolarBob; editor-surveyor
That which was "written and engraved in stones" is done away.

I don't want to beat you up Diamond, but this is a perfect example of how one should not read the prophets.

One of the foremost things to keep in mind when reading the Word is that YHWH is the ONLY claimant for the title of 'god' that declares explicitly that what He said in the first place is what will be in the end. It is His primary challenge against other claimants, And is the signature move that only He can do.

Your typical 'god' type allows for change through his agents - I don't care which one you might care to investigate, as every_single_one has a priesthood or prophet(s) empowered to revise the original definition/doctrine.

YHWH is the *only* one that does not allow it. What is said first cannot be altered by what is said last. Period. YHWH's Word does not return to Him empty. Ever. This is the reason that the Hebrews were instructed as they were wrt identifying false prophets - No one can change the Torah. *NO_ONE*. And no prophet can change what the prophets before him have said.

Your reading of this thing cannot be, as the Torah declares from the very beginning that the Sabbath Day is eternally sanctified and set apart. That is forever. And if you care to read Isaiah, Ezekiel, Zechariah (and others), you will find that they speak of a time beyond the Day of the Lord, when the Law will go forth from Jerusalem, and the whole world will keep the Sabbaths of YHWH - All of them - Which includes the weekly Sabbath.

So either you are wrong, or the Torah is wrong (and YHWH is made a liar), or one or more of the prophets are wrong (and YHWH is made a liar).

249 posted on 05/15/2013 11:02:02 AM PDT by roamer_1 (Globalism is just socialism in a business suit.)
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To: Diamond; BipolarBob; editor-surveyor
Amo 8:4 Hear this, you who swallow up the needy, And make the poor of the land fail,
Amo 8:5 Saying: “When will the New Moon be past, That we may sell grain? And the Sabbath, That we may trade wheat? Making the ephah small and the shekel large, Falsifying the scales by deceit,
Amo 8:6 That we may buy the poor for silver, And the needy for a pair of sandals— Even sell the bad wheat?”
Amo 8:7 The LORD has sworn by the pride of Jacob: “Surely I will never forget any of their works.
Amo 8:8 Shall the land not tremble for this, And everyone mourn who dwells in it? All of it shall swell like the River, Heave and subside Like the River of Egypt.
Amo 8:9 “And it shall come to pass in that day,” says the Lord GOD, “That I will make the sun go down at noon, And I will darken the earth in broad daylight;
Amo 8:10 I will turn your feasts into mourning, And all your songs into lamentation; I will bring sackcloth on every waist, And baldness on every head; I will make it like mourning for an only son, And its end like a bitter day.

Mat 24:20 And pray that your flight may not be in winter or on the Sabbath.

If the Sabbath was done away with, why would Messiah be expecting them to be keeping it at His 2nd coming? If they are to be done away with, then why the need to turn them from feast days in to days of mourning? They still exist, just not as they were used to having because there now is no temple in Jerusalem. Again, context is everything!

260 posted on 05/15/2013 5:50:51 PM PDT by patlin ("Knowledge is a powerful source that is 2nd to none but God" ConstitutionallySpeaking 2011)
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