Posted on 04/23/2013 9:37:23 AM PDT by NKP_Vet
In a segment titled “God and Hitler,” Gordon Robertson (son of Rev. Pat Robertson), hosted a discussion on the Catholic Church’s response to Hitler. Several errors of fact were made.
1) It is wrong to paint Hitler as a Catholic. Though he was baptized, he excommunicated himself, latae sententiae, when he sought, in his words, to “crush [the Catholic Church] like a toad.” He made good on his pledge by persecuting 8,000 priests, over 500 of whom were killed in concentration camps. He also sought to assassinate the pope.
2) The 1933 Nazi-Vatican Concordat was not a show of solidarity. As Rabbi David Dalin has shown, it was a protective measure designed to protect German Catholics from persecution. In fact, at least 34 letters of protest were sent from the Vatican to the Nazis between 1933 and 1937, culminating in a 1937 encyclical that condemned Nazi violations of the Concordat and its racial ideology. It was smuggled out of Italy and distributed on Palm Sunday to Catholics in Germany. Nothing like this happened in Protestant churches in Germany.
3) It is not true that Hitler met resistance from Protestants alone. There are 800,000 trees planted in Israel that represent the 800,000 Jews saved by the Catholic Church. None have been planted as a tribute to Protestants. During the war, the New York Times twice said the Church was “a lonely voice crying out of the silence of a continent”; Albert Einstein also singled out the Church during the war. After the war, Golda Meir praised the work of the Church, as did the ADL, the World Jewish Congress, and scores of other Jewish organizations.
4) It is factually wrong to say the Vatican archives have “never been seen.” Many scholars have had access. As for Pope Pius XII being “Hitler’s Pope,” it should be noted that John Cornwell, the ex-seminarian who originated this term, retracted it years ago. So why does “The 700 Club” continue to cite it?
The Church was at odds with the liberal governments who ruled Italy after unification, which had seized control of Rome, which had been a papal city for a thousand years before the nationalists decided to make it their capital, mainly because its ancient prestige. Mussolini was a socialist and an atheist who split with the international communist party because he favored the war with Austria and they opposed it. Fascism is basically a kind of national socialism. Mussolini had no animosity toward the Jews, however, In 1929, he made a settlement with the Vatican over the taking of Church party, and because of it, we today have the City State of Vatican City. But Mussolini also promised to give Catholic Action freedom to organize. In this and in many others, he failed to live up to his agreements. Catholics did support Mussolini in his African policies, and his intervention in Spain against the communist government there. But his alliance with Germany was his doing. He thought he was on the winning side. and until 1942, he was right.
I am sorry for whatever is in your heart that would lead you to make that kind of accusation about fellow Christians. I sense that somewhere inside of you there is a need for forgiving those who you believe hurt you. The forgiveness is not for them, but for you. A lack of forgiveness and cause not only spiritual sickness but physical sickness as well. God sends no one to hell, it is the consequence of our own choices. Choose wisely out of love, not anger or hatred.
"But if you do not forgive others their sins, your Father will not forgive your sins." - Matthew 6:15
Peace be with you
tickling the ears or tickling the ivories?"
Yes, exactly. Rome is definitely guilty of both.
Six years ago, eh??? Sick, desperate puppy comes to mind...
I’ve been studying the background of each of their symbols, habits, holidays and rituals and have been amazed that each one comes from pagan practices. It’s clear to me that the RCC is the whore of Revelation. Incorporating pagan practices is whoring around with other religions which God warned about in Deuteronomy.
Deuteronomy 12:30 Take heed to thyself that thou be not snared by following them, after that they be destroyed from before thee; and that thou enquire not after their gods, saying, How did these nations serve their gods? even so will I do likewise. 31 Thou shalt not do so unto the LORD thy God: for every abomination to the LORD, which he hateth, have they done unto their gods;
Somehow your name dropped off my TO list. Ping to post 206.
So a person who leaves the Catholic religion is still a Catholic, but not truely a Catholic...So Hitler was a Catholic til his death (and after) but not truly a Catholic...
At least it's an answer...Thanks for trying...
Carnal thought and viewpoint right there.
If they are baptized, they are a Christian...But if they don't attend a Catholic service on ocassion, they are going to hell...
If God would only have put that in the bible, I'd have become Catholic a long time ago/a very big sarcasm...
Have any other thoughts that deny what scripture teaches?
John 15:16 Ye have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that ye should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever ye shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it you.
Papal encyclical's are not trivial. One has to presume considerable activity took place ahead of Mit brennender Sorge
So, you are going to heaven for sure, eh?
I’m not condemning anyone nor have I a lack of forgiveness.
That comment is solely based on what Catholics have said themselves. I have yet to meet a Catholic who is sure of their salvation. They hope so, but expect to find out when they get there.
If they were baptized as infants and that’s what saves, but don’t go to heaven, but do go to hell, that means that God sends His children to hell.
So, you’re for sure going to heaven, eh?
So what makes you presume to know what’s in my heart anyway?
I seem to recall that “puppy” has been warned by the Moderator on several occasions against carrying the same bogus argument across threads.
Well, I’d take exception at saying that’s an answer, but it IS trying.
Catholics just don’t get that believers ARE the church.
Where ever two or three are gathered in Jesus’ name, He is there in their midst, IOW, there is a church.
That’s true.
Big difference between an assembly of people and an organization.
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