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14 May the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit be with you all. (2 Cor. 13:14)

19 Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, (Jesus, Matthew 28:20)

What? Are you accusing Jesus here of being unnecessarily redundant? (Or Paul in 2 Cor. 13?)

Since I saw you make a big deal in another post about a reference to Jesus as "the firstborn," are you claiming that Jesus had a beginning? And if you're going to take that word literally as is, who was his Mom he was born to? (Are you going to pull a "Mormon mom" on us? ... somewhere hidden in the wings?)

And if you think the Spirit is an impersonal force who is no personality other than the extension of God in this world, AND if you think Jesus had a beginning, you are no better off than the Muslim who embraces a bare naked monotheism...with no love to exchange pre-creation of angels (or humans).

The Trinity was a self-existent, self-contained component unity well before any other being was created. He is a social unity -- a community-within-Himself!!!!

Since I saw you make a big deal in another post about a reference to Jesus as "the firstborn," are you claiming that Jesus had a beginning?

Ummmm...I made a "big deal" out of it??? I quoted a scripture... :-)

Rom_8:29 For whom He foreknew, He also predestined to be conformed to the image of His Son, that He might be the firstborn among many brethren.

And no, I'm not claiming that Jesus had a beginning. John chapter 1 is very clear that this is not the case.

Well there's the problem right there! You're imagining things that aren't so and then turning me into a bogeyman!:-)

The Trinity was a self-existent, self-contained component unity well before any other being was created. He is a social unity -- a community-within-Himself!!!!

The trinity is an evolved doctrine that took over 300 years to formulate fully and wasn't understood until it became part of Catholic tradition. When Protestants split from the Catholic church they retained this tradition.