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To: count-your-change
Paul said the one God was the Father (1 Cor. 8:6)

You didn't include the rest of the verse:

and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live"
He uses the exact same phraseology to describe both God the Father and Jesus Christ. Do you think Paul is telling the Corinthians that instead of multiple gods and lords there is only one of each? Do I need to point out that Jehovah is also called and addressed as "Lord" (Adonai) numerous times in the Old Testament, and also in the New Testament, for example in Acts 7:31, "The voice of the Lord came to Moses." So Who is the other Lord that you are talking about?

Jesus prayed to God calling Him his Father and his God. (John 17th chapter and John 20:17.)

Jesus prayed to the Father because as a man, having voluntarily humbled himself, having for a time laid aside the prerogatives of Deity, under the Law, His position was different than that of God the Father, not His divine nature. Just as a wife's position of authority is lesser than her husband's, but not her human nature.

Jesus also receives prayer in the New Testament. Were Paul or Steven (or anyone else for that matter wrong to pray to Jesus?

In Matt. 28:19 the resurrected Jesus says all power and authority in heaven and earth has been given him. And before it was given him he must not have had it.

Jesus said he had been given the power to judge by whom? The Father. So before this power was given? (John 5:22) Jesus said the Father had life in Himself and had granted to Jesus to have life in himself. (John 5:26)

Same answer. Having greater authority and power doesn't necessarily mean that the person is greater in essence, or that the one who is in subjection to another is inferior in nature to the other. As an earthly husband can be greater in authority and power than his wife without this implying that the wife is an inferior being, God the Father giving authority to his God the Son in no way implies that the Son is not God or is an inferior Being. You are committing a category error by conflating two distinct categories nature and authority.

Thus saith Jehovah, the King of Israel, and his Redeemer, Jehovah of hosts: I am the first, and I am the last; and besides me there is no God.
Isaiah 44:6

Revelation 22:
12 “Behold, I am coming soon, bringing my recompense with me, to repay each one for what he has done. 13 I am the Alpha and the Omega, the first and the last, the beginning and the end.”

39 You search the Scriptures because you think that in them you have eternal life; and it is they that bear witness about me, 40 yet you refuse to come to me that you may have life.

Cordially,

557 posted on 04/23/2013 6:57:59 PM PDT by Diamond (He has erected a multitude of new offices, and sent hither swarms of officers to harass our people,)
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To: Diamond
The term “lord” was broad in meaning as Paul noted and even David was properly called “lord”.

“Jesus prayed to the Father because as a man, having voluntarily humbled himself, having for a time laid aside the prerogatives of Deity, under the Law, His position was different than that of God the Father, not His divine nature. Just as a wife's position of authority is lesser than her husband's, but not her human nature”

No longer occupying an equal position? Jesus being a human his nature was the same as the Father's who is a spirit?

Bad analogy, she never did have his “prerogatives” or power to lay aside. So do you mean Jesus as a human was no longer part of “Deity”? Remember Jesus called the Father his God after he was resurrected .

Jesus also called the Father his God. So is this an exception to the below? One person of the triune God praying to another person in triune God and calling Him God?

“Jesus and the Father and the Holy Spirit are distinct Persons yet ALL THREE have all the Attributes, Powers and Names of Deity, ie. Jehovah. That IS the definition of the Trinity and I can't think of a better way of expressing this truth.”

The problem is not with me “conflating “ or “dividing” or whatever but that the trinity doctrine just cannot be made to fit the reality of the Scriptures.

558 posted on 04/23/2013 8:07:53 PM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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