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To: count-your-change; Diamond
“It is only absurd because of your presupposition that Jehovah is the Father alone, as evidenced every time you state “Jehovah (the Father)”

I do have a “presupposition” that the Father is not the Son or vice-versa.

I think Diamond has identified well the pivotal point of confusion here. Jehovah, the personal name the LORD gave Moses, that set Him apart from ALL other gods of the Egyptians (or any others for that matter), IS the name that designates the Almighty God. It's meaning is I AM or the self-existant one. He is the only true God out of the millions of idols invented by men. There is no other god BUT Jehovah and HE has revealed Himself as having a TRIUNE nature. God is revealed as the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit so that the Father is God, the Son is God and the Holy Spirit is God, but there are not three Gods, only one. Jesus IS identified in Scripture as Jehovah incarnate and the Holy Spirit is Jehovah as the Comforter who would indwell the children of God as the guarantee of our inheritance of heaven.

The Son is not the Father or the Holy Spirit and the Holy Spirit is not the Father or the Son. The Father is not the Son or the Holy Spirit. THE God is the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit who goes by the appellation of JEHOVAH, the I AM.

Diamond is correct by saying that you, and others who believe as you do, divide the essence of Deity and thus confuse the Persons. Jesus and the Father and the Holy Spirit are distinct Persons yet ALL THREE have all the Attributes, Powers and Names of Deity, ie. Jehovah. That IS the definition of the Trinity and I can't think of a better way of expressing this truth.

554 posted on 04/23/2013 3:24:26 PM PDT by boatbums (God is ready to assume full responsibility for the life wholly yielded to Him.)
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To: boatbums; Diamond
Paul said the one God was the Father (1 Cor. 8:6) Jesus prayed to God calling Him his Father and his God. (John 17th chapter and John 20:17.)

Did Jesus pray to himself or have more than one heavenly Father or was he father of himself?

In Matt. 28:19 the resurrected Jesus says all power and authority in heaven and earth has been given him. And before it was given him he must not have had it.

Jesus said he had been given the power to judge by whom? The Father. So before this power was given?
(John 5:22)
Jesus said the Father had life in Himself and had granted to Jesus to have life in himself. (John 5:26)

Doesn't sound quite like equality does it? Or like this:

“God is revealed as the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit”

Unless you and Diamond think Jesus prays to himself, or was his own father. Do you?

At John 20:17 Jesus refers to The God, who by the definition given above (your words) is “...Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit”, as ‘My God’.

I think it's that definition of God as a trinity that is confused and confusing.

555 posted on 04/23/2013 4:21:37 PM PDT by count-your-change (you don't have to be brilliant, not being stupid is enough)
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