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To: OneWingedShark

>> “And they are equally clear that Jesus chooses to do what pleases the Father.” <<

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Absolutely.

The Father is the director of all things. John Chapter 6 makes that abundantly clear. It is the Father that chose us and calls us. It is the Father that gave us to the Son.


103 posted on 04/15/2013 9:01:50 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: editor-surveyor
>> “And they are equally clear that Jesus chooses to do what pleases the Father.”
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> Absolutely.
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> The Father is the director of all things. John Chapter 6 makes that abundantly clear. It is the Father that chose us and calls us. It is the Father that gave us to the Son.

This is true, and this touches on something that is, perhaps, troubling to explain to/for certain people: free-will. The New Testament makes it clear that there's a "giftness" there ("it is a gift of God", "to as many as receive", etc). The reason that people think this is a gotcha is that we, being bound to time, cannot understand at all timelessness -- this is what God is, being unbound to time, (this also confounds causality [i.e. the childish "who created God?"]).

Moreover, as CS Lewis observed, love that is not freely given is not love at all. If it is not a choice to love God, the it is impossible to fulfill the greatest commandment because the greatest command, at that point, becomes nonsense.

I certainly don't understand how both predestination and free-will work at the same time, but they both seem to; and to embrace an exclusionary view of one is to fundamentally alter your view of God. [A god that condemns people who have no choice in their conduct wouldn't be called 'just', nor would a god that did not command human life's details be called omnipotent.]

116 posted on 04/15/2013 9:48:30 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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