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To: Jvette
Nice try, though. Deny if you will, but Peter was singled out, Peter was named Rock.

No, Peter's name was rock, a small stone...

Can you show us Peter's church in the bible??? No???

Who did Jesus reveal the doctrine of salvation by grace thru faith??? Peter??? Nope, Paul...Who did Jesus pick out to set up the structure of the church??? Peter??? Nope again...Jesus picked Paul...

Who did Jesus pick to send the message of the Gospel to the Gentiles; those who are not Jewish??? Peter, or his supposed 2nd in command??? Nope again...It was Paul...

If anyone ended up with primacy it would clearly have been Paul...

Of course you can throw away the bible and make up your own religion...Oh, you already have???

10 posted on 04/16/2013 5:08:36 AM PDT by Iscool
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To: Iscool
When the discussion is on the primacy of Peter ... 1 Peter 5 is never mentioned. Peters own words ...

Therefore, I exhort the elders among you, as your fellow elder and witness of the sufferings of Christ, and a partaker also of the glory that is to be revealed, shepherd the flock of God among you, exercising oversight not under compulsion, but voluntarily, according to the will of God; and not for sordid gain, but with eagerness; nor yet as lording it over those allotted to your charge, but proving to be examples to the flock.

Peter was saying he was an equal with the elders ... not over them.

12 posted on 04/16/2013 8:38:33 AM PDT by dartuser (My firearm is not illegal ... its undocumented.)
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To: Iscool

LOL, really, nice try.

Yes, Paul is a very instrumental man in God’s plan as he was the most prolific and edifying of authors in the NT. Not surprising being he was the most educated. But, Paul was not Jesus’ choice for the one to lead His church, Peter was.

Rock or small stone, there is no denying that Jesus, God, changed Peter’s name and He only did that when He used someone for a very specific purpose. Like with Abram to Abraham, who was the father of the Jews.

Also, Paul deferred to Peter as we see at least twice in his epistles. The time he rebukes Peter he did not lessen Peter’s stature but showed that, though he was first, he was the leader and not the ruler of the church. And the rebuke was for personal behavior not regarding doctrine. Doctrine that the Spirit revealed to Peter.

That is still true today. That is why it is said that the bishops are in union with the pope, but that doesn’t mean the pope rules, just that he speaks for the church.

As for Paul being sent to the Gentiles, yes that’s true enough, but it was Peter to whom God sent the first Gentile and who had the dream which led him to know that Jesus’ salvation was for all men and not just the Jews.

The gospel of grace through faith was not a new one, Jesus spoke of it before His death. What Paul did, and God is so good to have used him as He did, was to write very wonderfully about grace. He was certainly a very eloquent and edifying theologian, but sorry, his message was not new nor was it given exclusively to Paul.

I have no need to throw away the Bible, it is the Book of the Church, Jesus’ Church. I don’t belong to Peter’s church, though it would seem that some here mistakenly believe they belong to Paul’s.


16 posted on 04/16/2013 7:50:19 PM PDT by Jvette
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