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To: JCBreckenridge
According to the RCC “virgin Mary” means that Mary was ever virgin and had no other children or even sexual relations with her husband. She was also ever without sin as Jesus was. When Catholics say “We believe in one holy Catholic and apostolic Church.” they Capitalize catholic just as you did in your post meaning the RCC rather than just the universal body of Christ.

The council at Nicea was obviously Catholic and the intent and meaning was included. Catholics love to get someone to say they believe in those words because they think it would include the same meaning as the Catholics have. Satan used those word tricks with Eve. We’ve been warned about those deceitful practices. Don’t try to use them on me.

Mary did have other children and was a sinful albeit obedient person as all other humans are and have been since Adam and Eve. The universal body of Christ (the universal church) does not mean the RCC.

635 posted on 04/10/2013 3:04:00 PM PDT by CynicalBear (For I decided to know nothing among you except Jesus Christ and him crucified. 1 Corinthians 2:2)
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To: CynicalBear
"When Catholics say “We believe in one holy Catholic and apostolic Church.” they Capitalize catholic just as you did in your post meaning the RCC rather than just the universal body of Christ."

That is what would be called a difference without a distinction. At the time the Creed was developed there was only one universal (Catholic) church with no need to differentiate it from any of the schisms or heresies. It is only non-Christians and the minority of Christians, those not part of the Catholic Church, who object.

Peace be with you

636 posted on 04/10/2013 3:49:29 PM PDT by Natural Law (Jesus did not leave us a Bible, He left us a Church.)
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To: CynicalBear

“sinful albeit obedient person as all other humans are and have been since Adam and Eve.”

Oh. Who taught you this? I am curious why you believe it.


637 posted on 04/10/2013 4:20:43 PM PDT by JCBreckenridge (Texas is a state of mind - Steinbeck)
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