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To: BornToBeAmerican

The implication of believing everyone has the Holy Spirit living in them is a denial of Scripture which states clearly that mankind is inherently sinful. Which is it for it cannot be both? Either man is inherently wicked, as Scripture states, or inherently “good” because he is indwelt automatically at birth with the Holy Spirit. Besides being a contradiction to Scripture, this latter is a spiritual impossibility because we know from Scripture that demon possession is real. A body cannot be both indwelt with the Holy Spirit and with a demon. It is a spiritual impossibility. One can have either — but not both. You keep citing Scriptures about “light” and “God’s light” and, forgive me, but it does sound as though you are equating that with a New Age type “God lives in all of us; we are all Heaven-bound” universalism. Scripture not only does NOT teach this but it teaches the exact opposite. NO WHERE in Scripture does Christ speak of giving the Holy Spirit to anyone except in the context of being one of HIS. The whole world does not get the Holy Spirit by some sort of “default”. We know this from the fact that Christ reiterates over and over and over again that “narrow is the way” to Him. The Holy Spirit is the mark of the believer — not some special “light” given to everyone. It’s the mark God places on those who know Him. It happens upon regeneration of the Hell-bound sinner (which describes all of us upon birth).


38 posted on 04/03/2013 10:37:22 AM PDT by JLLH
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To: JLLH

First premise, I do not believe that any person that God created perfectly can in anyway shape or form, be 100% evil, no matter what they do or say.

Second, you obviously have no concept of light shining in darkness. I have given you Scriptual proof, and paraphrasing for your benefit: if then your light shines in darkness, how great then is the DARKNESS?

Third, no one can come to the Father unless called. Nothing, anyone can do or say can by pass or circumvent this requirement.

Fourth and finally, you may choose to see evil and look down on it you like. Truly, I am perfectly fine with this. I have absolutely nothing but love for you. Because, this is what has been given to do. I trust God in everything and I choose to see goodness in all that I can. So, yes I do believe that there is something inheriently good in everyone, even if that good light shines in total darkness. I do believe that love has a greater capacity to heal than evil has to destroy. Just look what God did through love.


39 posted on 04/03/2013 3:22:57 PM PDT by BornToBeAmerican (Don't forget love)
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To: JLLH

just for good measure, did I not say that the Holy Spirit brings the light that shines in darkness to light? Did not Paul state clearly that He, God caused through Spirit, the light of all truth to shine in and through them.

So you are so quick to want to categorize me and label with some label in order to what? Make you feel better or me? Does this labeling, sanctify Christ and glorify him? Rather, than worrying and concerning yourself about me, should you not by the grace of God, be more concerned with your own heart. Because, as Jesus said, actions speak louder than belief. Ie. The Good Samaritan. I said, I would be slammed on my first post. Doesn’t take much does it?

Of course, the road to truth and salvation is narrow, and it is a lot like the treasure in the field that Jesus spoke about. Do not concern yourself with a speck in my eye when you may have a log in your own. This is of course not saying that you have, but saying, always be more concerned about your own spiritual well being than of others.

And don’t ever forget Love, for darkness has no abode with the light of love.


40 posted on 04/03/2013 4:15:32 PM PDT by BornToBeAmerican (Don't forget love)
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