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To: al_c; mware; Dr. Brian Kopp
"And if those two wish to commit sacrilege, then that's on their shoulders ... not the Church's."

What?? Canon 915 isn't about them and they, in fact, aren't the real problem other than being the clowns Barry sent as a deliberate insult to the Church.

"What part of, “. . . are not to be admitted to holy communion” is all that hard to understand?"

Especially after the Pope has very publicly gone on record as saying that politicians who support abortion should not be allowed to take communion. Burke is the highest legal authority in the Vatican and he said the same thing, these politicians are not to admitted to communion and permitted to partake of the Eucharist. That is a declared interdict that prohibits a specific class of persons from participating in holy communion. Period. Those who are responsible for a given Mass are supposed make it their business to know who is presenting them self at communion, especially if public figures from a class of persons under interdict will be present.

Why? Because Canon 915 is about the Clergy and what they are responsible for, not about the clowns who present themselves when they shouldn't. 915 itself has nothing specifically to do with the individuals who might attempt to take communion. It is concerned with the Clergy who are clearly responsible for ensuring that those who, ". . . obstinately persist in manifest grave sin" (not only those who are excommunicate by their own doing or by an official act) are not admitted to holy communion.

Whoever is responsible for the Mass is responsible for complying with 915 and in the annotated Code of Canon Law it refers to what the appropriate penalties for the those who do permit such persons to partake. There's no way around it. There is a direct, clear, requirement of Canon Law that was ignored, period.

What anyone thinks about the scum who present themselves to partake of communion knowing full well they should not is a secondary matter because 915 does not apply to them. Other sections of Canon Law may apply to them, but not 915 which is very specific and very clearly about the fact that responsible Clergy are expected to ensure that such persons are not admitted to communion.

Face it, there's no wiggle room here because it has nothing to do with the strawman about the two clowns who presented themselves.

Canon 915 is about who the Clergy must refuse the Eucharist to, it was very publicly ignored for some reason, and no matter what that reason was, whoever "admitted them to holy communion" made a mockery of Canon Law right along with the two clowns in question who were mocking Jesus Christ who is present in the Eucharist, the whole Church, Canon Law, and everyone who was present while they were mocking these things by presenting themselves for communion.

53 posted on 03/20/2013 2:48:41 PM PDT by Rashputin (Jesus Christ doesn't evacuate His troops, He leads them to victory.)
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To: Rashputin
"And if those two wish to commit sacrilege, then that's on their shoulders ... not the Church's."

What?? Canon 915 isn't about them and they, in fact, aren't the real problem other than being the clowns Barry sent as a deliberate insult to the Church.

Take it in context of the conversation. In this particular instance, Biden and Pelosi presented themselves for communion ... probably to total strangers that didn't even know who they were. In that case, yes ... it's on their shoulders. The minister distributing likely knew nothing about them thus was not in a position to deny them the Holy Eurcharist.

Context is important.

56 posted on 03/20/2013 4:51:15 PM PDT by al_c (http://www.blowoutcongress.com)
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