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To: hosepipe
I completely understand the semantics of the change of the words in the Scriptures from their pure form which is defined by Genesis to Malachi.

One can not have it both ways. Either Paul's word's are inspired by God as taught by Christian doctrine or they are not. Either Paul is a heretic and false prophet according to the Word of God spoken through Moses in Dt 13 & 18, or it is simply that Paul words have been misunderstood and therefore they have been misinterpreted as Peter testifies to in 2 Pet 3:14-17. I prefer to believe the latter and therefore I call out the heresy when I hear it in order to turn those in error back to His Truth.

I also do not believe the Words of Jesus to be 'Talmud' as He is the Word of God and only spoke the Word of the God the Father. And I also do not equate Paul's teachings or for that matter, any of the others to be Talmud as they never taught anything but the pure Word of God as exempliflied to them by the Word of God that put on flesh.

Talmud is 'dogma', the oral 'law of man' and Judaism does not dispute this. They merely use Dt 17:8-10, skipping over verse 11 to usurp the authority of God just as Roman Christendom uses Mt 16:18 to usurp the authority of God by proclaiming that they now have ultimate authority over the interpretation of His Word.

The only thing that changed for believers in Jesus as the true Messiah was the seat of the Pharisaic oral law that we all now have to contend with.

94 posted on 03/10/2013 6:56:08 PM PDT by patlin ("Knowledge is a powerful source that is 2nd to none but God" ConstitutionallySpeaking 2011)
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To: patlin

>> “The only thing that changed for believers in Jesus as the true Messiah was the seat of the Pharisaic oral law that we all now have to contend with.” <<

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Yep, the ‘pharisees’ moved to Rome.


97 posted on 03/10/2013 7:06:36 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (Freepers: Not as smart as I'd hoped they'd be)
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To: patlin; Whosoever

I also do not believe the Words of Jesus to be ‘Talmud’ as He is the Word of God and only spoke the Word of the God the Father. And I also do not equate Paul’s teachings or for that matter, any of the others to be Talmud as they never taught anything but the pure Word of God as exemplified to them by the Word of God that put on flesh.


“We” don’t have the words of Jesus.. We have what some tell us are the words of Jesus..
MAybe he said them in the context presented and maybe he didn’t..

Those words are what they are.. a “listeners” account to the words of Jesus account of them.. not the actual words..
Maybe in context maybe not.. some words may have been missed or even omitted..

Not that anything negative happened to the words.. but that was always possible.. Jesus didn’t recommend reading anyway(according to lore).. since most couldn’t read..
Jesus said got to the Holy Spirit.. and left the Holy Spirit in charge of this planet..

Actually the Jews forbade writing down the “words” of God.. for many centuries.. The knowledge was told in storys and memorized.. Thats what BarMitzvah was for and about.. before it degraded..

People do not need the Holy SPirit anymore, they have the Bible.. as replacement idol.. After all if you have the Bible what do you need the Holy Spirit for.. to ask him questions, you think, you already know?.. Or to gossip about some intellectual minutia?.. or to legitimize some rite or ceremony?..

Christians of today are not much different than the average Jew of the past or currently.. Pagan God-Lore worshippers..
Which I suppose is the way it should be, here on this planet, to make that choice..

They don’t know the Holy Spirit any more than they know the history of Barry HAlf-White the President.. and could care less.. The HS is like the Easter Bunny.. mentioned with a raised eyebrow..


123 posted on 03/11/2013 12:22:27 AM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole..)
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