Pastor Mike Hoggard of Bethel Church - A LIAR and FALSE PROPHET!

There has been a widespread and growing 'deadly cancer' in the Christian church as of late and that 'cancer' is the pulpits profusely proclaiming that anyone who wishes to do 'JUST AS' Jesus did and to walk in the same manner as Jesus did, those who choose this path have fallen out of grace and are claimed to have joined a cult. So is this true?

In his March 5, 2013, Mike Hoggard vehemently shouted at the top of his lungs during his radio broadcast that the 4th Commandment of God was nailed to the cross. Now mind you, this is the ONE Commandment of God that contains the 'sign/mark" of His Covenant with all mankind that dates back to the seventh day of creation. So could the Jesus that Hoggard preaches be the true Messiah that never spoke against or did anything in disobedience to God the Father? I would say without a doubt, NO, Mike Hoggard is not proclaiming the true Messiah that Moses and the Prophets wrote about but a different messiah and a different gospel and here is why.

Deu 13:1 If there arise among you a prophet, or a dreamer of dreams, and giveth thee a sign or a wonder, 2 And the sign or the wonder come to pass, whereof he spake unto thee, saying, Let us go after other gods, which thou hast not known, and let us serve them; 3 Thou shalt not hearken unto the words of that prophet, or that dreamer of dreams: for the LORD your God proveth you, to know whether ye love the LORD your God with all your heart and with all your soul. 4 Ye shall walk after the LORD your God, and fear him, and keep his commandments, and obey his voice, and ye shall serve him, and cleave unto him.

Exo 31:13 Speak thou also unto the children of Israel, saying, Verily my sabbaths ye shall keep: for it is a sign between me and you throughout your generations; that ye may know that I am the LORD that doth sanctify you.

Isa 56:1 Thus saith the LORD, Keep ye judgment, and do justice: for my salvation is near to come, and my righteousness to be revealed. 2 Blessed is the man that doeth this, and the son of man that layeth hold on it; that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and keepeth his hand from doing any evil. 3 Neither let the son of the stranger, that hath joined himself to the LORD, speak, saying, The LORD hath utterly separated me from his people, ...6 Also the sons of the stranger, that join themselves to the LORD, to serve him, and to love the name of the LORD, to be his servants, every one that keepeth the sabbath from polluting it, and taketh hold of my covenant; 7 Even them will I bring to my holy mountain, and make them joyful in my house of prayer: their burnt offerings and their sacrifices shall be accepted upon mine altar; for mine house shall be called an house of prayer for all people. 8 The Lord GOD which gathereth the outcasts of Israel saith, Yet will I gather others to him, beside those that are gathered unto him. ... 10 His watchmen are blind: they are all ignorant, they are all dumb dogs, they cannot bark; sleeping, lying down, loving to slumber. 11 Yea, they are greedy dogs which can never have enough, and they are shepherds that cannot understand: they all look to their own way, every one for his gain, from his quarter.

Mike Hoggard claims to be a watchman but teaches that His seventh day Sabbath is not for all mankind and those that claim it is are heretics and members of some cult. So what else do the Prophets have to say of His Sabbath as being valid for ALL mankind?

Eze 20:11 And I gave them my statutes, and shewed them my judgments, which if a man do, he shall even live in them (Rm 10:5). 12 Moreover also I gave them my sabbaths, to be a sign between me and them, that they might know that I am the LORD that sanctify them.1 between them and Me, to know that I am יהוה who sets them apart. Footnote: 1See Ex. 31:13-17.

Eze 20:23 I lifted up mine hand unto them also in the wilderness, that I would scatter them among the heathen, and disperse them through the countries; 24 Because they had not executed my judgments, but had despised my statutes, and had polluted my sabbaths, and their eyes were after their fathers' idols. 25 Wherefore I gave them also statutes that were not good, and judgments whereby they should not live1. Footnote: 1Ps. 81:12, Isa. 30:28, Acts 7:42, Rom. 1:24-28, 2 Thess. 2:11.

Isa 66:19 "And I will set a sign among them, and I will send those that escape of them unto the nations, to Tarshish, Pul, and Lud, that draw the bow, to Tubal, and Javan, to the isles afar off, that have not heard my fame, neither have seen my glory; and they shall declare my glory among the Gentiles. ... 23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the LORD.

So we see that it was NOT prophesied that the Sabbath would be nailed to anything, but rather it will be restored in all its glory as it was in the beginning. So did Jesus of Nazareth speak to the continuation of the Father's perpetual and everlasting seventh day Sabbath for all mankind? Why yes Jesus of Nazareth certainly did.

Mat 24:4 And Jesus answered and said unto them, "Take heed that no man deceive you. 5 For many shall come in my name, saying, I am Christ; and shall deceive many. ... 11 And many false prophets shall rise, and shall deceive many. 2 And because iniquity (lawlessness / transgression against the Law of God) shall abound, the love of many shall wax cold. ... 20 But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the SABBATH DAY: 21 For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be."

So as this false prophet Mike Hoggard claims that his Jesus nailed the 4th Commandment to the cross and that we no longer are bound by this burdensome law, but as we can see, the true Jesus of Nazareth of the King James bible tells us just the opposite of what false prophet Mike Hoggard prophesies and that the true Jesus will be expecting us to keep and honor the 4th Commandment because as a disciple, one who imitates and emulates the Master, if one is a true disciple of Jesus, then one will joyfully do as Jesus did and not call ANY command of the Father burdensome.

Mat 11:29 Take my yoke upon you, and learn of me; for I am meek and lowly in heart: and ye shall find rest unto your souls. 30 For my yoke is easy, and my burden is light.

1Jn 5:1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him. 2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments. 3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous (burdensome).

Rom 10:5 For Moses describeth the righteousness which is of the law, That the man which doeth those things shall live by them (Ez 20:11). 6 But the righteousness which is of faith speaketh on this wise, Say not in thine heart, Who shall ascend into heaven? (that is, to bring Christ down from above:) 7 Or, Who shall descend into the deep? (that is, to bring up Christ again from the dead.) 8 But what saith it? The word is nigh thee, even in thy mouth, and in thy heart: that is, the word of faith, which we preach;

Deu 30:10 If thou shalt hearken unto the voice of the LORD thy God, to keep his commandments and his statutes which are written in this book of the law, and if thou turn unto the LORD thy God with all thine heart, and with all thy soul. 11 For this commandment which I command thee this day, it is not hidden (too hard, too burdensome) from thee, neither is it far off. 12 It is not in heaven, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go up for us to heaven, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it? 13 Neither is it beyond the sea, that thou shouldest say, Who shall go over the sea for us, and bring it unto us, that we may hear it, and do it? 14 But the word is very nigh unto thee, in thy mouth, and in thy heart, that thou mayest do it.

interestingly enough, Hoggard did quote from Paul about making void the Law of God, but then in the same breath he denied that which he just spoke while also ignoring the fact that Paull also taught us that we are to 'establish' the Law of God by doing it through faith just as Abraham 'established' the Law of God by doing it through faith.

Rom 3:31 Do we then make void the law through faith? God forbid: yea, we establish the law.

Rom 6:1 What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? 2 God forbid. How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

1Jn 3:1 Behold, what manner of love the Father hath bestowed upon us, that we should be called the sons of God: therefore the world knoweth us not, because it knew him not. 2 Beloved, now are we the sons of God, and it doth not yet appear what we shall be: but we know that, when he shall appear, we shall be like him; for we shall see him as he is. 3 And every man that hath this hope in him purifieth himself, even as he is pure. 4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law. 5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin. 6 Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him. 7 Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous. 8 He that committeth sin is of the devil; for the devil sinneth from the beginning. For this purpose the Son of God was manifested, that he might destroy the works of the devil. 9 Whosoever is born of God doth not commit sin; for his seed remaineth in him: and he cannot sin, because he is born of God.

We are sons and daughters of God through the begotten Son of God and therefore, as He did, we are to do likewise so that through the Son, we also can be transformed into the likeness of the Father.

2Co 3:18 But we all, with open face beholding as in a glass the glory of the Lord, are changed into the same image from glory to glory, even as by the Spirit of the Lord.

1Jn 2:1 My little children, these things write I unto you, that ye sin not. And if any man sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus Christ the righteous: 2 And he is the propitiation for our sins: and not for ours only, but also for the sins of the whole world. 3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. 4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him. 6 He that saith he abideth in him ought himself also so to walk, even as he walked.

Now I implore the readers to remember, these are NOT my words or accusations, these are the words and accusations of God the Father and His only begotten Son that Hoggard claims to represent yet in the same breath Hoggard denies both the Father and the Son. Therefore, in denying that the WHOLE Word of God, from Genesis to Revelation is for ALL mankind, Hoggard is denying the very existence of the authority of God the Father and His only begotten Son and creating his own authority upon the earth with a new Gospel message of lawlessness towards God the Father that the only begotten Son of God never taught or preached.

Ecc 12:13 Let us hear the conclusion of the whole matter: Fear God, and keep his commandments: for this is the whole duty of man. 14 For God shall bring every work into judgment, with every secret thing, whether it be good, or whether it be evil.

Wrong.

Colossians 2: He forgave us all our sins, 14 having canceled the written code, with its regulations, that was against us and that stood opposed to us; he took it away, nailing it to the cross. 15 And having disarmed the powers and authorities, he made a public spectacle of them, triumphing over them by the cross. 16 Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. 17 These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ. 18 Do not let anyone who delights in false humility and the worship of angels disqualify you for the prize. Such a person goes into great detail about what he has seen, and his unspiritual mind puffs him up with idle notions. 19 He has lost connection with the Head, from whom the whole body, supported and held together by its ligaments and sinews, grows as God causes it to grow. 20 Since you died with Christ to the basic principles of this world, why, as though you still belonged to it, do you submit to its rules: 21 "Do not handle! Do not taste! Do not touch!"? 22 These are all destined to perish with use, because they are based on human commands and teachings. 23 Such regulations indeed have an appearance of wisdom, with their self-imposed worship, their false humility and their harsh treatment of the body, but they lack any value in restraining sensual indulgence.

Jesus Is Lord of the Sabbath Matthew 12
1At that time Jesus went on the sabbath day through the grain field; and his disciples were hungry, and began to pluck the ears of grain, and to eat.
2But when the Pharisees saw it, they said unto him, Behold, your disciples do that which is not lawful to do upon the sabbath day.
3But he said unto them, Have you not read what David did, when he was hungry, and they that were with him;
4How he entered into the house of God, and did eat the showbread, which was not lawful for him to eat, neither for them who were with him, but only for the priests?
5Or have you not read in the law, how that on the sabbath days the priests in the temple profane the sabbath, and are blameless?
6But I say unto you, That in this place is one greater than the temple.
7But if you had known what this means, I will have mercy, and not sacrifice, you would not have condemned the guiltless.
8For the Son of man is Lord even of the sabbath day.

AND....John 15:1-17

I am the true vine, and my Father is the vine dresser.

2Every branch in me that bears not fruit he takes away: and every branch that bears fruit, he prunes it, that it may bring forth more fruit.

3Now you are clean through the word which I have spoken unto you.

4Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can you, except you abide in me.

5I am the vine, you are the branches: He that abides in me, and I in him, the same brings forth much fruit: for without me you can do nothing.

6If a man abides not in me, he is cast forth as a branch, and is withered; and men gather them, and cast them into the fire, and they are burned.

7If you abide in me, and my words abide in you, you shall ask what you will, and it shall be done unto you.

8In this is my Father glorified, that you bear much fruit; so shall you be my disciples.
9As the Father has loved me, so have I loved you: continue you in my love.
10If you keep my commandments, you shall abide in my love; even as I have kept my Father’s commandments, and abide in his love.
11These things have I spoken unto you, that my joy might remain in you, and that your joy might be full.
The Greatest Love
12This is my commandment, That you love one another, as I have loved you.
13Greater love has no man than this, that a man lay down his life for his friends.
14You are my friends, if you do whatsoever I command you.
15From now on I call you not servants; for the servant knows not what his lord does: but I have called you friends; for all things that I have heard of my Father I have made known unto you.
16You have not chosen me, but I have chosen you, and ordained you, that you should go and bring forth fruit, and that your fruit should remain: that whatsoever you shall ask of the Father in my name, he may give it to you.
17These things I command you, that you love one another.

Christ is the Lord of the Sabbath....if we abide in him then we abide in HIS Sabbath for-ever...No matter what day of the week it is!

Why did you skip over and not highlight verse 15 of Col 2? Because it defines whose laws Jesus made a mockery of when He nailed them the cross. Again, for your edification:

The word written as ‘law’ there is not law as in the ‘nomos’ of Moses but rather, Paul is referring to the ‘entole’, the statutes and precepts contained in the ‘dogma’, legal decrees of man (see Daniel and the decrees of the kings). One cannot read Eph 2:15 without considering its sister verses in Colossians.

Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances (dogma) that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross; 15 And having spoiled (stripped) principalities and powers, he made a shew (mockery) of them openly, triumphing over them in it.

G1378 δόγμα dogma Total KJV Occurrences: 5 decrees, 2 Act_16:4, Act_17:7 ordinances, 2 Eph_2:15, Col_2:14 decree, 1 Luk_2:1

G1378 Total LXX Occurrences: 12 δογμα (10) Dan_2:13, Dan_3:10, Dan_3:29, Dan_4:6, Dan_6:8-10 (3), Dan_6:12, Dan_6:15, Dan_6:26 δογματι (2) Dan_3:12, Dan_6:13

G1378 Total GRC Occurrences: 6 δογμα (2) Dan_6:12, Luk_2:1 δογμασιν (2) Eph_2:15, Col_2:14 δογματα (1) Act_16:4 δογματων (1) Act_17:7

The Greeks never used the word ‘dogma’ in reference to God’s Law, NEVER!

I had to laugh when Hoggard finally responded to this, not in private as a good pastor would, but without asking he decided to air his answers to the public first, which thankfully I caught the last part so I could write in a couple of comments. What Hoggard said was that I was defining the word ordinances using Hebrew not Greek, he said I hate the Greek and never us it. Now who is the liar? Who is the false prophet leading people astray? One who shows truth using the Greek text or one who lies to his listeners when he who obviously couldn't see the Greek right in from of him because of the Roman glasses he wears.

As Iasked Hoggard who skipped right over the question, I ask the same of you,

That which is left of Matthew is our constant and everlasting Rock that all mankind of all ages can count on. His Words there are our everlasting examples of how His Law and Order sustains the universe and all life that is in it. Paul delighted in the Law, James called it the Law of Liberty so how can something that is delightful be bad to the taste or how can something that brings liberty be bondage?

Joh 14:11 “Believe Me that I am in the Father and the Father in Me, otherwise believe Me because of the works themselves. 12 “Truly, truly, I say to you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do he shall do also, ..."

If we truly believe in Him we will follow him and walk as He walk, do as He did which was obey the Father, not change or do away with what the Father gave.

Mat 5:17 “Do not think that I came to destroy the Torah or the Prophets, ..."

The word 'fulfill' at the end of verse 17 cannot mean to do away with, but rather it means to fill to its fullest so it now operates as it always was meant to operate, to keep us safe, to bring blessing which is eternal life to those who trust in it because they trust in the Father as Abraham trusted in the Father. Those who don't walk as Jesus walked, don't really trust in the Father as Jesus trusted in the Father. It is that simple. Jesus is our example, not our waterboy.

but Jeremiah says a better covenant awaits

Okay, let's examine Jeremiah,

Jer 31:31 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will make a new covenant with the house of Israel, and with the house of Judah: 32 Not according to the covenant that I made with their fathers in the day that I took them by the hand to bring them out of the land of Egypt; which my covenant they brake, although I was an husband unto them, saith the LORD:

33 But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; After those days, saith the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people.

The law not on stone but written on the heart. So where pray tell does He say He will put a "new" law? Where is the prophecy preceding this that declares that God is going to give us a new law?

34 And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, saith the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.

It would seem to me that since every man is still teaching his neighbor and not every man on earth "knoweth" the LORD, then this covenant has not been "fulfilled" yet now has it. So no, Jesus has not completely fulfilled the new covenant. Yes, His blood sealed it up, but that seal has not been broken yet for it to be implemented. That comes at His return when all receive the promise of the new covenant together at one time, not one before the other as so any can boast.

Heb 11:39 And these all, having obtained a good report through faith, received not the promise: 40 God having provided some better thing for us, that they without us should not be made perfect.

Jn 2:3 And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. 4 He that saith, I know him, and keepeth not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. 5 But whoso keepeth his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.

Rev 19:7 Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready. 8 And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints.

The bride prepares herself, just as we see rehearsed at every wedding. She endures all the stresses that come with that preparation and then she is rewarded when she comes to stand before her husband-to-be and then the two become one forever and ever. The end told from the beginning just as He promised it would be.

The greatest lie ever told: Gen 3:4 "And the serpent said unto the woman, Ye shall not surely die"

Die from what? What state of being was Adam and Eve in in that day? They were in the state of eternal beings now weren't they?

Deu 32:46 "And he said unto them, Set your hearts unto all the words which I testify among you this day, which ye shall command your children to observe to do, all the words of this law. 47 For it is not a vain thing for you; because it is your life,"

4Abide in me, and I in you. As the branch cannot bear fruit of itself, except it abide in the vine; no more can you, except you abide in me

Bear fruit? What is the fruit we are to bear?

Joh 15:6 “If anyone does not stay in Me, he is thrown away as a branch and dries up. And they gather them and throw them into the fire, and they are burned.
Joh 15:7 “If you stay in Me, and My Words stay in you, you shall ask whatever you wish, and it shall be done for you.
Joh 15:8 “In this My Father is esteemed, that you bear much fruit, and you shall be My taught ones.
Joh 15:9 “As the Father has loved Me, I have also loved you. Stay in My love.
Joh 15:10 “If you guard My commands, you shall stay in My love,1 even as I have guarded My Father’s commands and stay in His love. Footnote: 1See 14:15.

The Son's commands were the Father's as the Son and the Father are one. The Son said his works were not of him but that they were the works of the Father, so as it was for the Son, if the Son be in us and we in Him, then the Father will do His works through us just as He did His works through the Son.

Is there a trend here in spinning the Word? Yes, and it started in the Garden...”Didn’t God say?” satan was the first preacher and is still spinning it today.

It's the "Clinton Effect" where it all depends on what the definition of the word is, is.

Joh 4:23 “But the hour is coming, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and truth, for the Father also does seek such to worship Him. 24 “Elohim is Spirit, and those who worship Him need to worship in spirit and truth.”

But in the case of true worship, they change the word "and" in Jn 4:23-24 to mean "of", its all about Jesus now, he does it all for them. but in doing so, what they do not realize is rejecting truth is rejecting Messiah.

Joh 14:6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the lifeno man cometh unto the Father, but by me: .

Psa 119:1 ALEPH. Blessed are the undefiled in the way, who walk in the law of the LORD. 2 Blessed are they that keep his testimonies, and that seek him with the whole heart. 3 They also do no iniquity: they walk in his ways. 4 Thou hast commanded us to keep thy precepts diligently.

Psa 119:142 Thy righteousness is an everlasting righteousness, and thy law is the truth.

Psa 119:151 Thou art near, O LORD; and all thy commandments are truth.

Psa 119:160 Thy word is true from the beginning: and every one of thy righteous judgments endureth for ever.

Deu 32:46 And he said unto them, Set your hearts unto all the words which I testify among you this day, which ye shall command your children to observe to do, all the words of this law. 47 For it is not a vain thing for you; because it is your life

Joh 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. 2 The same was in the beginning with God. 3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made. 4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.

Joh 1:14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

Grace "AND" Truth, through His grace and our humbling of ourselves as to submit ourselves to His authority as our Maker and Master to whom we are to obey, we are able to receive His Truth in order to do His Truth. The cycle of "life", eternal life as God told us to be through His Gospel message that has been from the beginning.

Deu 8:2 And thou shalt remember all the way which the LORD thy God led thee these forty years in the wilderness, to humble thee, and to prove thee, to know what was in thine heart, whether thou wouldest keep his commandments, or no. 3 And he humbled thee, and suffered thee to hunger, and fed thee with manna, which thou knewest not, neither did thy fathers know; that he might make thee know that man doth not live by bread only, but by every word that proceedeth out of the mouth of the LORD doth man live. (see Mt 4:4 & Lk 4:4)

Deu 10:12 And now, Israel, what doth the LORD thy God require of thee, but to fear the LORD thy God, to walk in all his ways, and to love him, and to serve the LORD thy God with all thy heart and with all thy soul, Deu 10:13 To keep the commandments of the LORD, and his statutes, which I command thee this day for thy good.

Deu 10:16 “And you shall circumcise the foreskin of your heart, and harden your neck no more. 17 “For יהוה your Elohim is Elohim of mighty ones and Master of masters, the great Ěl, mighty and awesome, who shows no partiality nor takes a bribe.

Psalm 119 ministries.com Two young men who teach the Truth giving away their teachings and I don't even know their names because they don't feel it's important for people to know their name. They are truly humble servants of the Truths of the Bible. Anybody who wants to hear a strong prophetical teaching on the Blood Moon Tetrads that John Hagee and Perry Stone are teaching, go to You Tube and search for Daniel Unsealed by 119 ministries. It will definitely show you what time it is. These young men were giving this teaching before Hagee and Stone.

Wow, thanks for that - Watched the Daniel thing and the blood tetrads thing... pretty good info. Now I will go back and do the whole thing.

I wonder if their '48 and '67 failures are due to the barley - 29 days off for the leap year thing... Many of the Hebrew roots folks still don't get the importance of the barley being abib.

Their conclusion is close to mine, but their final conclusion, i think, is not right, as there simply isn't enough time to fulfill all that still needs to happen... or so it would seem to me. I think the blood tetrads are the final warning, and that the next Jubilee will be the time frame for the action. All the signs and portents indicate that we are entering into the end of days.

However, the Jubilee following that one(14 years off) is a grand Jubilee, I believe, and is inside the window predicted by the long count prophecies. IOW, i think they are right in that the signs have to happen BEFORE, but they are way-markers for what will happen in the next (or near) Jubilee.

I think the grand Jubilee has to be figured in. the next one probably marks 6000 years, and is likely a Grand-grand Jubilee (50 fifties). I can't say exactly, and I don't think anyone really can - But I agree that the blood tetrads are a sign that the wise maidens had best trim their wicks and light their lamps. If nothing else, it is a confirmation that it nears, and that those who watch the Holy Days of YHWH are dead-on right.

I have said for some time now that we are very close - If I do not see the coming of Messiah with my own eyes, my children most certainly will. I am 51 and I am expecting to see it happen.

Chaplin it should be noted that there are two laws referred to in Scripture. Moses Law i.e. the Book of the Law and the Royal Law, Yahweh's Law the Ten Commandments. The Ten Commandments were carried inside the Ark of the Covenant and Moses Law, the 613 mitzvoth were place on the outside of the Ark.

Part of the confusion in Paul's writings is not discerning which “Law” Paul is alluding to. The written commandments (613 mitzvot) were nailed to the cross but the Ten Commandments have been written on the heart of every Believer. They are our marriage covenant and MUST BE obeyed. We are “under” the Royal Law but His Grace covers our transgression till we come to repentance. How many years did we break the 4th Commandment out of ignorance but once you know the law you are bound by it. Depart from me you workers of INIQUITY. Iniquity is to break a known law. Obviously with this statement Yahshua is saying there will be judgment if you break a known law.

Um, NO, the word Paul uses is not the word or any of God's commands, they are what pertains to the ‘dogmas’ of man. Mt 22:37-23:3; Mt 5:17-20; Rev 22:18-19

And also, heaven and earth are His witnesses against us, so as long as heaven and earth are still here, not one iota of Moses and the Prophets are to be set aside. He came to fulfill, to fully fuel that which had been waiting for His first coming in order that through the Spirit we now can do as He did, walk in total obedience to the Father.

Mt 5:18 = Dt 30:19 Want to know His love, read and get to know Moses because Moses wrote of Him as He gave it to Moses to give to us. Acts 7:38, this is He who gave Moses the living Oracles of God to give to us!

Who ate lunch with Abraham? http://www.amazon.com/Who-Lunch-Abraham-Asher-Intrater/dp/1935906607 a must read for every bible and prophecy student.

“BARLEY bread into a massive tree and it burst into huge flames.”

Pentecost is the first barley harvest and it also was the date the Holy Spirit fell upon the Apostles and that 3000 people were saved.

The dream seems incomplete....what was the description of the person who threw the bread and while the tree was burning was the tree consumed by the flame or was it undamaged?
The barley bread... was it leavened or unleavened?(puffed up like a yeast bread or was it more like barley crackers, small cakes, or wafers?) Ask the lady from your Bible study for a few more details.

If the tree was consumed into ashes it speaks of a judgment of some type; yet only God can give the full interpretation of dreams. Yet even without interpretation, the dream is so upfront spiritual in nature that one can’t ignore it.

It might be interesting to see what happens about 50 days after this year’s Passover(when Pentecost is supposed to take place)....that would put it late May.

Correction: Pentecost the the first wheat harvest 50 days after the barley Harvest or Abib(the date was historically flexible depending on the ripeness of the first stalks of barley. Sorry about the confusion. Still interested if the bread was leavened or unleavened and if the tree was consumed or not consumed? Being so close to Passover, the the bread being leavened or not leavened might have very ominous significance.

There are 4 possibilities.....1. leavened barley bread causing a flame that does not consume the tree.

2. leavened bread that causes flames that do consume the tree.

3. Unleavened bread that causes flames that do not ultimately consume or damage the tree

and lastly: 4. Unleavened bread that causes flames that utterly reduce the tree to ashes

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