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To: Boogieman
Of course you backed off,

you need to pay REAL CLOSE ATTENTION I bACK OFF FROM NOTHING The Catholic church has NEVER issued a formal proclamation that was in error....NEVER in 2013 years....NEVER!!!

409 posted on 02/27/2013 7:29:46 PM PST by terycarl
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To: terycarl

“The Catholic church has NEVER issued a formal proclamation that was in error....NEVER in 2013 years....NEVER!!!”

Okie dokie. How about this:

“We condemn all heretics, whatever names they may go under. They have different faces indeed but their tails are tied together inasmuch as they are alike in their pride. Let those condemned be handed over to the secular authorities present, or to their bailiffs, for due punishment. Clerics are first to be degraded from their orders. The goods of the condemned are to be confiscated, if they are lay persons, and if clerics they are to be applied to the churches from which they received their stipends. Those who are only found suspect of heresy are to be struck with the sword of anathema, unless they prove their innocence by an appropriate purgation, having regard to the reasons for suspicion and the character of the person. Let such persons be avoided by all until they have made adequate satisfaction. If they persist in the excommunication for a year, they are to be condemned as heretics. Let secular authorities, whatever offices they may be discharging, be advised and urged and if necessary be compelled by ecclesiastical censure, if they wish to be reputed and held to be faithful, to take publicly an oath for the defense of the faith to the effect that they will seek, in so far as they can, to expel from the lands subject to their jurisdiction all heretics designated by the church in good faith. Thus whenever anyone is promoted to spiritual or temporal authority, he shall be obliged to confirm this article with an oath. If however a temporal lord, required and instructed by the church, neglects to cleanse his territory of this heretical filth, he shall be bound with the bond of excommunication by the metropolitan and other bishops of the province. If he refuses to give satisfaction within a year, this shall be reported to the supreme pontiff so that he may then declare his vassals absolved from their fealty to him and make the land available for occupation by Catholics so that these may, after they have expelled the heretics, possess it unopposed and preserve it in the purity of the faith”

Fourth Lateran Council (1215): Canon 3 - On Heresy

So, this is a formal proclamation, is it in error? Is is in line with the spirit of Christ to not only denounce and excommunicate heretics, but to pressure secular authorities, under ecclesiastical and temporal penalties, to inflict criminal and civil penalties on heretics? To seize their property, and drive them from their place of residence? Oh, and those who are only suspected, but not proven guilty, must prove their innocence in order to avoid penalties as well. Does that sound very Christian to you?


416 posted on 02/27/2013 9:51:39 PM PST by Boogieman
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