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To: svcw
"Grace is Grace, works is works they are not equal."

Apples and oranges. Grace and works are not comparative. Grace and works are co-dependent, they go hand in hand.

"Biblical Salvation is not worked based, hence the term Grace."

Technically it is. You can't have salvation without works. That's straight out of the mouth of the prophets and Jesus Himself.

I find that most people who take the "believe only" stance conveniently describe "works" in an out of context fashion. I see, "You can't work your way to heaven", posted all the time. That's not what's being said. What's being said is, Jesus requires certain works in order to give grace.

That's straight from the mouth the Lord Himself. You can choose to believe anything you want in this life. God gave us freedom of choice. But at the judgement you're judged by your works and not by any other standard.

"There is assurance in Grace, there is no assurance in works."

There is perfect assurance in the works of God. There is perfect assurance that Jesus will judge us correctly. There is perfect assurance that if we do what God has commanded us to do, He will bless us as He said He would.

As far as I can tell, there's no arbitration at the judgement. You can't talk your way out of it. Either you followed the rules to get into Heaven or you didn't. You did what you were supposed to do or you didn't. Your works will show exactly which master you followed.
22 posted on 02/22/2013 7:17:56 AM PST by MeOnTheBeach
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To: MeOnTheBeach
You can't have salvation without works.

That is patently false. If you have to work for Salvation, you can never be assured. There is no way to work hard enough or long enough to earn the Gift of Grace.

Grace is a gift. Gifts are not earned.

24 posted on 02/22/2013 7:43:05 AM PST by svcw (Why is one cell on another planet considered life, and in the womb it is not.)
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To: MeOnTheBeach
You are the perfect LDS member. Believing that will let anyone telling you what you must do to get into heaven be your master including a “prophet” such as Joe Smith.

The reality is far more freeing and blessed than that...

26 posted on 02/22/2013 7:52:59 AM PST by ejonesie22 (8/30/10, the day Truth won.)
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