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To: massmike

Yes, Archie Bunker is an apt example.

There are probably MILLIONS of babies that were baptized by their Catholic grandparents because their parents for whatever reason would not do it.

The Church teaches that anyone can baptize if a Priest is not available, and there is a danger that baby could die without it. I know a number of older women in my family who did this because they were terrified of the baby going to Hell before they could convince the parents to baptize.


57 posted on 02/14/2013 2:28:02 PM PST by Buckeye McFrog
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To: Buckeye McFrog

My Catholic brother and SIL decided to baptize their non-Catholic, non-religious son’s newborn daughter (who was healthy BTW and not in any imminent danger of dying) but didn’t tell their son and daughter in law about it until a few days later when my SIL casually mentioned it to her DIL. And my nephew and his wife were really ticked off about it. It caused a big fight and as a result, they were not on speaking terms for nearly a year.

As a non-believer I didn’t think it was any big deal and actually thought that my brother and SIL’s intentions were heartfelt and sincere and that they meant no harm and tried to get them all to patch things up, which they eventually did. But I also understood my nephew’s POV – “She is my daughter, I am her father, and if I want her to be baptized; that is my and my wife’s choice and our responsibility, not yours”. I think he and his wife were more insulted about what they perceived as my brother and SIL implying that they were not good parents for not having their daughter baptized and especially not baptized Catholic and doing so without discussing it with them and doing it in secret behind their backs.

FWIW, my brother and SIL, who know I am not a practicing Catholic, probably know I am an atheist although they won’t admit it, send me a religious Christmas card every year (beautiful art work BTW) with a note that they have donated money in my name and to have me added to a novena at their church. It doesn’t bother me at all as it makes them feel good and I know that it is sincere.

I also have a co-worker who at Christmas gives all of us in our HR department a donation through her church - Church of the Brethren; a donation in our names to a Brethren charity that provides crop seeds and live stock to “poor” people in Africa. I find that slightly annoying, not so much for the religious but political implications, but I just smile and say “thank you”. I figure she’s going to donate the money anyway. OTOH, one of these years I might turn the tables and make a donation in her name to a cause I believe in. : ),


91 posted on 02/16/2013 8:37:42 AM PST by MD Expat in PA
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