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To: terycarl
so the average newly formed Christian is going to MEMORIZE scripture.... .O.K., where does he get the scripture to Memorize????

The synagogue. I'm sure they heard it on a weekly basis.

Those Jews in those days HAD to be familiar with God's Word. Otherwise they would not know the Law to obey it.

he/she has access to Jewish scrolls and has heard of the newly formed Christian groups. He/she meets with them , talks with them, and begins to learn what they believe................you now have what Catholics know as tradition, which you constantly poo-poo!!

Not at all what Catholics call tradition, because the tradition that Catholics hold to contradicts Scripture.

The teaching they had out of Scripture was out of Scripture, which is not tradition. What you're describing as happening is what the rest of us recognize as a Bible study.

Studying Scripture, not handing down fairy tales by word of mouth.

208 posted on 01/31/2013 6:39:14 AM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: metmom; terycarl

It is odd that Chrysostom would urge the laity to do what they could hardly do. http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2661829/posts?page=409#409

But it is not things being handed down that is to be opposed, as every preacher to some degree is expressing such, but the problem is that Scripture is not held as the assured Word of God and supreme standard for establishing doctrine, and instead the church makes herself supreme, and channels things from her nebulous oral tradition - which no one can tell where it begins or ends - into doctrines which are not warranted by Scripture or are opposed to it. (Go find anywhere anyone prayed to anyone in Heaven but the Lord.)

They were not the first to be teaching for doctrines the mere tradition-based commandments of men:

“Then the Pharisees and scribes asked him, Why walk not thy disciples according to the tradition of the elders, but eat bread with unwashen hands?” (Mark 7:6)

Moreover, while some of what became Scripture first existed in oral form, once and as revelation was written, then it became the standard for testing truth claims, as is abundantly evidenced. And thus unlike as Rome demands, the church did not have authority because it was sanctioned by those who sat in the seat of the magisterium, as assured veracity as per Rome is not given to men.


214 posted on 01/31/2013 9:00:03 AM PST by daniel1212 (Come to the Lord Jesus as a contrite damned+destitute sinner, trust Him to save you, then live 4 Him)
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To: metmom
The synagogue. I'm sure they heard it on a weekly basis.

no one ever said that they would not be able to get the old testament scriptures. Studying Scripture, not handing down fairy tales by word of mouth.

you do realize, I assume, is that is exactly where scripture came from..... if you feard the word of God, at that time, you did not record the words on your cell phone, you didn't even write it down (you couldn't write), but you remembered what had been said and PASSED IT ALONG, by word, to others in your family or circle of friends......that is tradition which became scripture....just think about it for a moment

240 posted on 01/31/2013 6:03:00 PM PST by terycarl
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