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To: xzins; CynicalBear; P-Marlowe
First, not all Calvinists are double predestinarian. I believe it depends on when they think the decree of God was made.

That's correct. There is an order of decrees and it depends on the timing of these decrees. At one time I tried to study this but it really gets into some very deep scriptures. I felt there was a danger of perhaps reading something into scripture that wasn't there. It's almost like eschatology. Some people are very firm in saying they understand it. I don't think anyone really does.

But branding every Reformer as believing in double predestination is wrong. Most great Reformers such as John McArthur, John Piper or even old time preachers and teachers such as Charles Spurgeon or Matthew Henry clearly don't.

620 posted on 02/01/2013 7:04:15 AM PST by HarleyD
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To: HarleyD; xzins; CynicalBear; P-Marlowe; Alamo-Girl; betty boop
But branding every Reformer as believing in double predestination is wrong. Most great Reformers such as John McArthur, John Piper or even old time preachers and teachers such as Charles Spurgeon or Matthew Henry clearly don't.

Branding any believer as an anything is wrong. Labeling people sets the stage for making people respecters of persons, differentiating between the have's and the have nots, between the *You've arrived* or *You haven't arrived, you need to get to the level of spiritual maturity I'm at*.

I've had my fill of that out of the Pentecostal movement with their speaking in tongues/slain in the Spirit stuff. And with the Catholics with the *I'm doing better works than you are* mentality.

It sets the trap for spiritual pride and many fall into it.

627 posted on 02/01/2013 7:49:05 AM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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