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To: CynicalBear; HarleyD; xzins; metmom
When they say that God predestines Adam to sin and God predestines those who are saved that is by definition double predestination.

I think you are confusing the terms between fore-ordination and predestination.

That being said, let me ask you a question.

If you agree that God knows everything, then is there any act or event in your life that has yet to occur which God does not already know will happen?

If not, then are you really in control of your own destiny, or is your destiny completely subject to the will and foreknowledge of God?

BTW, What caused you to come to Christ? Did you call Him, or did He call you?

Sorry, that was more than one question.

386 posted on 01/27/2013 8:01:46 PM PST by P-Marlowe (There can be no Victory without a fight and no battle without wounds.)
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To: P-Marlowe; HarleyD; xzins; metmom
>> If you agree that God knows everything, then is there any act or event in your life that has yet to occur which God does not already know will happen?<<

Why do you continue to ask questions I have already answered and that anyone who is a Christian understands? God is omniscient which I have stated numerous times. By definition if He is omniscient He knows all there is to know.

>> If not, then are you really in control of your own destiny, or is your destiny completely subject to the will and foreknowledge of God?<<

Knowing what will happen and controlling what will happen are two separate things. If I know that at noon the sun will be overhead that does not mean I made it happen. If I know that a person is driving too fast to stop at the railroad crossing with a train coming and that there’s going to be an accident that doesn’t mean I made that accident happen. Also, it may be my will that my son mow the lawn on Saturday but he has his own agenda and does something else I may punish him for it but he’s still my son and I wouldn’t disown him for it. But if that was just some hired hand that had not been “adopted” by me and he did things against my orders because his allegiance was to someone else I would fire him.

>> BTW, What caused you to come to Christ? Did you call Him, or did He call you?<<

I’m not sure why you keep asking these types of questions. Once again it’s something I have addressed to you in previous posts. Because of our sin nature we do not seek God in our natural state. It’s God’s calling or urging that we come to Him.

The thing people seem to have a hard time understanding is that with God there is no progression of time. He sees all at the same time. Of course we don’t totally understand that concept and all its ramifications but scripture does give some insight. As an example, Jesus had followers which He called disciples who left Him when things got tuff. He said that He knew they were not “with Him” even though they had heard the message and followed for a time. Because He knew what the outcome would be with them He just let them go back. That doesn’t mean He made them go back or caused them to go back. He also knew before hand, because of His omniscience, that the twelve would stay with Him. The same with Jacob and Esau. God knew what Jacob was going to do and also what Esau was going to do. God said He loved Jacob but hated Esau. Because God sees the end and the beginning of both He knew from the beginning what the outcome was going to be so loved what Jacob was and blessed him and knew what Esau was going to produce and hated him.

396 posted on 01/28/2013 5:04:53 AM PST by CynicalBear
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