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To: metmom; CynicalBear; P-Marlowe
The reformed position does not explain why God chose to create either man or hell if He planned on sending the majority of the human race there with no option for avoiding it.

Well, PM seems to get this. God created everything for His glory; man, hell, the rock in my front yard that I keep hitting with the lawn mower. Everything.

In the garden there was no contrast. God could tell Adam that the day he ate the fruit he would die. But what would that mean to Adam if he never saw anything dying? How could he understand the concept of death? Same way with love, joy, peace, justice, wrath, etc. What is love if you don't know the absence of love? The fall was necessary so that we could understand these contrasts. Without the law there is no grace.

BUT GOD... is perfect love. He's not going to consign people to an eternity of torment unless that is what they want. There are many who prefer their rebellion rather than submit to God. If people really wanted to avoid it, the churches would be packed. And don't kid yourself. We'd be just like them if it wasn't for God. All one has to do is ask themselves if they want to skip church and go to the beach?

Right now they're making their choice aren't they? They would rather be on the golf course than worshipping God. Do you think can change their minds? Do you think God can change their minds? And if you believe God CAN change their minds, why doesn't He?

312 posted on 01/27/2013 3:11:19 AM PST by HarleyD
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To: HarleyD; metmom; P-Marlowe
>> He's not going to consign people to an eternity of torment unless that is what they want.<<

Wait. Wait, Wait. They want? I thought they didn’t have a choice?

>> Right now they're making their choice aren't they?<<

Say what? How can they be “making their choice” if they have no choice to make? Are you listening to yourself?

>> Do you think God can change their minds? And if you believe God CAN change their minds, why doesn't He?<<

Surely it can’t be because God has given them a choice could it?

323 posted on 01/27/2013 5:10:48 AM PST by CynicalBear
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