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To: Dutchboy88; metmom
>>Does that help with the Timothy verse? <<

No, that showed me the same double speak as we get from Catholics.

1 Timothy 2:4 Who will have all (pantas) men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth. pantas - Definition: all, the whole, every kind of.
pas: all, every

>> The text in 1 Tim favors the use of "all kinds"<<

NO, not “all kinds” but “every kind”. There’s a difference. A hint in there would be “the whole”. Trying to play word games to fit scripture into a pr-determined belief doesn’t work well.

>> As Schwertley points out, Paul is telling Timothy to encourage believers to pray for all kinds of folks,<<

There are 90 occurrences of “pantas or a version of it in scripture and not once has it been or could it be translated or thought to mean “all kinds”. I would put Schwertley into a category of “search the scriptures daily to see if these things be true” and will probably find that he, like this example, is desperately trying to make scripture fit a pre-determined belief.

>>Secondly, Translators have used "all kinds" or "all manner of" for this same word elsewhere.<<

Well, let’s look and see what your examples show/

Matthew 4:23 Pasan which can mean every manner of but it’s not pantas as was used int 1 Timothy is it. Different form of the word = different meaning.

Matthew 5:11 Pan is used there, again not pantas. Different form of the word = different meaning.

Matthew 10:1 Pasan again used there, again not pantas. There seems to be a trend here.

Luke 11:42 Pan is used, again not pantas. Are you starting to get the picture?

>>Would you understand us then to be called to pray for the millions of men/women who are now in hell? Should we pray for the men/women who are now in heaven? Should we pray for Hitler, Nero, Stalin, Mao?<<

Say you didn’t go there. Please say you didn’t go there. You did go there. I’m beginning to get a picture here and I don’t like it.

>>But, they are in the "all" as you see it.<

Now your telling me how I see it? Really? It couldn’t just be your prejudiced view could it? Don’t ever tell me how I see things or what I think again. K?

278 posted on 01/26/2013 3:34:06 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: CynicalBear
"NO, not “all kinds” but “every kind”."

Good morning. And, thank you for making my point. God certainly wants every kind of man to be saved, and we should pray for every kind of man.

429 posted on 01/28/2013 7:15:36 AM PST by Dutchboy88
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