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To: HarleyD; CynicalBear
You're assuming that men desire and want to go to heaven. But what if men were created with an independent streak just enough that they would be willing to suffer the torment of hell for all eternity rather than to go to heaven and submit to God.

No, I'm not assuming that at all.

No doubt men would desire paradise, a perfect existence with no sickness, no crime, no need to work, etc, but they would NOT desire to be with God, any more than Adam did after he sinned.

Yeah, I believe that men were created with an independent streak that does make them willing to suffer hell for eternity rather than submit to God.

I think CB's point in post 191 kind of summarizes it....While I agree that no one can take credit in any way for believing or accepting God’s calling I do believe there are those who can take blame for not accepting God’s call or “resisting”.

The question isn't why would God make people just to send them to hell. The real question is why would God make people to be His adoptive sons and daughters?

I don't have a problem with that. God created man in His image for fellowship with Him. Why would God not want to save him?

God unequivocally hates sin. He loves man, made in His image but will not strive with man forever.

205 posted on 01/25/2013 6:20:28 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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To: metmom; CynicalBear
I think CB's point in post 191 kind of summarizes it....While I agree that no one can take credit in any way for believing or accepting God’s calling I do believe there are those who can take blame for not accepting God’s call or “resisting”.

I did not see CB's post above. Like probably everybody else I haven't had time to read every one, particularily when not directed to me.

However, in regards to CB's point, every person who does not accept God's call bears their blame. They are without excuse because even though they knew God they did not honor him as God. But every Christian who accepts God's call does so because God opened His eyes and ears to hear the truth.

Both hear but only believers hear and understand. It's no different than God sending plague after plague and still Pharoah could not understand.

210 posted on 01/25/2013 6:40:58 PM PST by HarleyD
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