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Posted on 01/16/2013 8:57:49 AM PST by marshmallow
General audience, Benedict XVI defines the Incarnation as "something unimaginable, the face of God can be seen, the process that began with Abraham is fulfilled." The Week of Prayer for Christian Unity, he asks "for the great gift" to "proclaim together that Jesus is the Savior of the world."
Vatican City (AsiaNews) - "The desire to know the face of God is in every man, even the atheists," but this desire is only realized by following Christ, in whom, in the Incarnation, "something unimaginable took place, the journey that began with Abraham is fulfilled. He is the Son, the fullness of all Revelation; the mediator who shows us the face of God. "
And "to proclaim together that Jesus is the Saviour of the world" Benedict XVI asked for incessant prayers for "the great gift" of Christian unity in the forthcoming week, which begins on the 18th of this month.
Previously, in his catechesis, he again reflected on the meaning of Christmas, in a commentary on John's Gospel in which the apostle Philip asks Jesus to show them the Father. The answer of Jesus, "introduces us to the heart of the Church's Christological faith; For the Lord says: "Whoever has seen me has seen the Father" (Jn 14:9).This expression summarizes the novelty of the New Testament, the novelty that appeared in the cave of Bethlehem: God can be seen, he showed his face is visible in Jesus Christ".
The theme of "seeking the face of God" is present throughout the Old Testament, so much so that the Hebrew term "face", occurs no less than 400 times, 100 of which refer to God." The of Jewish religion which the religion forbids all images, "for God can not be depicted," and "can not be reduced to an object," tells us that "God...
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She did not get that from strongs.
Here’s another link to a site that will give you scads of parallel versions with access to the Greek or Hebrew.
All you have to do is type in a verse by reference in the white field at the top of the page and hit enter and it’ll take you to that verse.
Like this link does. And then you can compare all the different versions and see how different they really are.
Like this one.....
http://bible.cc/2_peter/3-9.htm
Have fun.
Interesting that in order to show me the meaning of a bible word, she gave me to a link to the works of Strong and Thayer.
Are these not the works of Scholars?
Did these people just put a rock in a hat and dictate this stuff as the spirit gave them utterance?
Wow! Seems just like just yesterday.
• Saturday, February 02, 2013 7:11:14 PM • 723 of 801
P-Marlowe to CynicalBear; xzins; HarleyD
In what way do you think I have not?
I may be reading you wrong, but I have sensed a very arrogant and condescending attitude from you.
Maybe it's just the forum we are using and maybe you are a really nice humble guy, but from your posts, I honestly (and I mean HONESTLY) don't see the fruits of the Spirit in your postings here. I view your attitude as one of moral superiority and condescension to those with whom you do not agree.
See the links in post 802. It takes you a Strong’s which provides this definition of *church*
Transliteration: ekklesia
Phonetic Spelling: (ek-klay-see’-ah)
Short Definition: an assembly, congregation, church
Definition: an assembly, congregation, church; the Church, the whole body of Christian believers.
The other sources gave a better explanation of the breakdown of the Greek.
But you said you only needed the bible and not any other person’s thoughts.
But, here you are using my fellow Methodist, Strong’s, work. But Strong didn’t come up with it by himself, he had the help of scores of other scholars. Since he was a president of Drew Seminary, a Methodist School, I assume many (most?) of those were also Methodist.
I’m a Methodist. What denomination are you?
ooops....
And that's exactly what I've seen from you, CB. In fact, you have been extremely picayunish in your conversations with PM.
So, how about a straight answer: "what name do others use when they identify your denomination?"
I’m not any denomination. I am in Christ. He is my identity.
I have these exact same conversations with Catholics.
Besides, how is a translation of a word the interpretation of a Scripture passage?
And foreign language dictionary could provide the same.
One telltale sign is always who they send us to for backup for their beliefs. Most often it’s some “catechism”, “confession”, or some man’s writings with only a smattering of scripture if any.
Nope, any foreign language dictionary would not do the same.
HOW you interpret a word is impacted by your beliefs, and your beliefs are impacted by how a word is interpreted.
The classic example is the word “baptism”.
A person’s theology will directly impact their definition of that word. In fact, it is not translated at all in the form “baptism”. That way the writers don’t get hit with accusations of theological bias/prejudice.
In seminary, I even got to watch it in action as people argued over meanings and nuances (me included).
Seriously? You are putting the strict translation of words in the same category as “interpretation” of scripture? Really?
Scholarly work.
But for the dedication of those men to faithfully translate the words from Greek and Hebrew to English, you would not even have an English Bible to quote from or study.
Every single word in the Bible that you use is the product of definitions derived from Biblical and ancient language scholars.
Each word must be interpreted in its context before it can be given an English equivalent, but no matter how you slice it, metmom, every single verse you read in English and quote in English is the work product of some unnamed Bible Scholar for which you apparently have nothing but contempt.
The bottom line is that unless you are intimately acquainted with Ancient Greek and Hebrew and Aramaic, then you are not actually reading unadulterated Scripture. You are reading the personal and collective interpretations of thousands of Biblical Scholars.
Or indoctrinat as the case may be.
See 811. Translation is interpretation is translation is interpretation is translation....ad infinitum.
You don’t think the theology of the translator/interpretor impacts their understanding?
Go read stories of Wycliffe Translators trying to come up with the right word/group of words to convey a biblical concept.
1 Timothy 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth
Are you your own pastor, your own teacher, your own evangelist? Have you appointed yourself to the office of Bishop? Are you the husband of one wife?
Do you have a public doctrinal statement?
Is baptism by immersion necessary or can it be by other methods?
Do you subscribe to the Apostles Creed or the Nicene Creed?
Or do you, like the Mormons, reject all creeds?
Do you have the gifts of tongues and prophecy in your church?
Do you handle snakes to show your faith?
When did strict translation of words become interpretation of passages?
Denomination? Could you show me from scripture where the “denomination” of different churches in different location was identified? "The church in Corinth", “The church in Rome”, or “The church in Thessalonica” were denominations? Who knew?
But, but, but, those are the works of.... Men.
I suppose some of these "True Believers in Christ" guys would be more comfortable with the translation method used by Joseph Smith, where he just put his seer stone into his hat, put his face in and let the Spiritual light shine and dictate as the spirit gave him utterance.
No messy interpretation. No translation errors. Just the word of god directly from his mouth into King James English.
You know, Joseph Smith was supposedly an uneducated man and certainly was no seminary trained Scholar. Just the kind of guy that these people would welcome into their fold as a church leader.
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