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Posted on 01/16/2013 8:57:49 AM PST by marshmallow
You still havent shown where we said those things.
I fail to see how hat proves that all those who are called have no option but to respond in an affirmative way. Would you say that all those who Jesus preached to and even some who followed Him for some time who turned away were not called by Jesus?
Wait. Wait, Wait. They want? I thought they didnt have a choice?
>> Right now they're making their choice aren't they?<<
Say what? How can they be making their choice if they have no choice to make? Are you listening to yourself?
>> Do you think God can change their minds? And if you believe God CAN change their minds, why doesn't He?<<
Surely it cant be because God has given them a choice could it?
Heck, as a mom I can tell if my kids would prefer a hamburger or taco for lunch. But it doesn't mean I made them pick it.
And think not to say within yourselves, We have Abraham to [our] father: for I say unto you, that God is able of these stones to raise up children unto Abraham. - Matt 3:9
THANK YOU!!!!!
I know that’s what they say.
It doesn’t stop how they come across.
And your tone and attitude are Christlike?
This is true, and while Spurgeon loved those who also loved his Lord, he was clearly apposed to papism and "the POPISH MASS" as well as Romish Anglicanism .
But i see a needless DEGREE of division among those who both preach justification by faith, not by works, over interpretive conclusions regarding predestination , in which both both sides can present a strong case, while the main things is to treat souls as seen in Scripture, that of being accountable for their sins and to repent, even though they can only do so if God grants repentance and faith, and even if certain distinctions are made btwn different meanings of "will," "grace," "all," "whole," and "any," etc.
And it should be noted that sometimes fierce debate regarding debate predestination has also been part of Rome's history , and which simply resulted in a truce.
So what you seem to be implying is that at some point before creating man, God created Hell, but in His slightly less than infinite foreknowledge he didn’t know at the time that someday He would be sending many of Adam’s descendants to the place He created only for Lucifer and his angels.
IOW God didn’t know at the time that He created man that Adam was going to rebel and that God would ultimately have to send men there as well.
Have I got it right?
It's called the Socratic Method. By asking question you force the person who is positing a philosophical position to think it through and clarify what they are postulating.
How about showing scripture that shows your position on the subject being discussed.
I don't believe I have taken any specific position on this thread. I am simply challenging those who, like you, have taken a position. You will note that I am an equal opportunity challenger. HarleyD can attest to that. :-)
Carry on.
Obviously not.
Oh ya think?
>>I am simply challenging those who, like you, have taken a position.<<
You may think that cute but I find it rather disingenuous and not worthy of discourse.
The Spirit itself beareth witness with our spirit, that we are the children of God: And if children, then heirs; heirs of God, and joint-heirs with Christ; if so be that we suffer with [him], that we may be also glorified together. - Romans 8:15-17
But some may say that God takes pleasure in sending some men to suffer in hell.
I do not see that attitude here:
For this they willingly are ignorant of, that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of the water and in the water: Whereby the world that then was, being overflowed with water, perished: But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.
But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day [is] with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance. - 2 Peter 3:3-9
Now, just hold on a minute there.
I expect better out of you than playing the victim card.
It wasn't a matter of you pointing out the paths our views are going to end up taking and poor little you is so misunderstood that you got *yelled at*.
In this post you stated (and I copy and paste)....Quote:"In looking back you and CB have stated indirectly:" Unquote.
That is a complete misrepresentation of what we said and a FAR cry from saying something to the effect of....."Do you realize that if you followed your statements to their natural conclusion that you'd be claiming (fillintheblank)?
So don't even go there.
Not to mention that I would disagree with those conclusions that you claim CB and I indirectly stated in post 274.
They are not foregone conclusions to our line of thinking.
It reminds me of that, too.
Harley didn't mind it when I spent half this thread challenging him.
In fact Harley was a very good sport about it. And at that time you seemed rather pleased with my challenges to his doctrinal positions.
But when I decided to put some of your opinions to the same test, you have decided that I am no longer worthy to engage in discourse with you.
Frankly that seems a bit disingenuous, don't you think?
Harley and I have a long long History of going head to head in heated debates on this forum. Yet he is one of my closest FRiends on this forum.
There is no requirement that you respond to any of my challenges. You can ignore me and eventually I will get the message and return the favor. Or you can put your theology to the test and respond honestly to all challenges put to you.
You asked for scriptures, try this one:
But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear: 1 Pet 3:15
Then feel free to enlighten me on exactly what you position is. I honestly can't seem to figure it out.
Was there ever a time when God did not know that when He created Hell, that it would someday be populated by fallen men?
I've provided you with three examples now of where God calls people and they get up and follow Him. Please provide me with three scriptural examples of where God went to a specific person and ask him to follow Him and was turned down.
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