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To: CynicalBear
"Even if it was the Catholic Church which was the implement that God used to preserve His word it would be foolhardy to imply that they are therefore the '“one true church'."

Do you believe that one group of apostles mentioned in the Bible were the "one true group of apostles" chosen by God at that time?

If so, did that "one true group of apostles" include an evil man named "Judas Iscariot"?

When the other 11 apostles chose "Matthias" to replace "Judas Iscariot", was that newly updated group of 12 apostles the "one true group of apostles" (as viewed by God) at that point in time?

(This has absolutely NOTHING to do with trying to get the glory for being the conduit which God chose to give us His Sacred Scriptures.    Rather, it has EVERYTHING to do with trying to find the TRUTH about the Church that Jesus Christ gave His most solemn word He would build.)

945 posted on 01/10/2013 7:16:23 PM PST by Heart-Rest ("The Church is the pillar and bulwark of the truth." (1 Timothy 3:15))
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To: Heart-Rest
Judas was obviously part of the original twelve. It’s also obvious that he didn’t truly believe who Jesus was and was simply used by God to fulfill prophecy. When Matthias was chosen by lot he became the twelfth apostle. Those twelve were still the chosen apostles. It’s obvious to anyone who wants to understand that all thirteen were chosen but Judas was chosen for a different purpose.

BTW The eleven apostles didn’t select Matthias, God did.

Acts 1:24 And they prayed, and said, Thou, Lord, which knowest the hearts of all men, shew whether of these two thou hast chosen, 25 That he may take part of this ministry and apostleship, from which Judas by transgression fell, that he might go to his own place. 26 And they gave forth their lots; and the lot fell upon Matthias; and he was numbered with the eleven apostles.

Now, as far as the church Jesus promised. He did indeed establish a church. It was NOT the RCC. Anyone who honestly compares the teaching of the RCC with scripture understands that the RCC is often in contradiction to scripture.

949 posted on 01/10/2013 7:37:07 PM PST by CynicalBear
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