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To: CynicalBear

One cannot make a personal judgment about anyone else’s salvation.

That belongs to God alone.

St. Paul said he didn’t judge even himself.

Neither you nor I can or should evaluate the way of another’s heart for Jesus. Jesus, as God Incarnate, deals with each of us on a strictly personal level, as He alone understands how we are made, what graces we need from Him, what is best for us as the unique creation He made.

When offering Scriptural quotes to someone, supposedly for their enlightenment, the details are always relevant.

I think I have expressed myself clearly about this and don’t need to say anymore.


2,334 posted on 01/19/2013 4:20:33 PM PST by Running On Empty (The three sorriest words: "It's too late")
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To: Running On Empty
>> One cannot make a personal judgment about anyone else’s salvation.<<

I agree wholeheartedly. Neither did I judge anyone’s salvation. I simply posted scripture.

>> That belongs to God alone.<<

Oh really!

The Greek word for judge is “krino” and it means “to call into question”. This is what Jesus means when He says “judge with righteous judgment”. We are to call into question the unbiblical actions of individuals and discern for ourselves whether or not to follow such a person.

“Do not judge according to appearance, but judge with righteous judgment.” John 7:24

2 Timothy 4:2 preach the word; be ready in season and out of season; reprove, rebuke, and exhort, with complete patience and teaching.

>>St. Paul said he didn’t judge even himself.<<

He didn’t write these?

I Corinthians 2:15 But he that is spiritual judgeth all things, yet he himself is judged of no man.

"Dare any of you, having a matter against another, go to law before the unjust, and not before the saints? Do ye not know that the saints shall judge the world? and if the world shall be judged by you, are ye unworthy to judge the smallest matters? Know ye not that we shall judge angels? how much more things that pertain to this life? If then ye have judgments of things pertaining to this life, set them to judge who are least esteemed in the church. I speak to your shame. Is it so, that there is not a wise man among you? no, not one that shall be able to judge between his brethren?" (I Cor. 6:1-5)

Just for God you say?

2,336 posted on 01/19/2013 4:48:15 PM PST by CynicalBear
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To: Running On Empty; CynicalBear

What I find incredibly ironic is that virtually every Catholic I have ever met is not sure about their salvation. They tell us that they will find out when they get there, that it's presumptuous to be sure of being saved, they hope they are but don't consider themselves yet.

But when a Christian comes along and tells them that they are not saved unless they accept Christ, they go into orbit.

They have a meltdown and start quoting Scripture (that they don't believe is authoritative), about how we are not to judge others and how dare we declare them not saved, yada, yada, yada.

And all we did was agree with them. Nobody said anything about that Catholic that the Catholic hasn't said about himself, but heaven help the person who speaks it if they aren't Catholic also.

What pushes them over the edge about agreeing with them?

Not to mention that said same Catholics have NO problem whatsoever, telling us that we need to *cross the Tiber* and *come home* or we're on our way to perdition.

So why is that?

Why *Do as I say, not as I do*?

2,340 posted on 01/19/2013 6:48:13 PM PST by metmom (For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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