[metmom]

oh good grief, now I know that you've never been in a clean barn or stable.....These people provide FOOD for you and yours, their facilities are as clean as they can possibly make them.......

I've been in dairy barns that supply milk for public consumption. There's simply no way possible to keep them as clean as you seem to be implying they are kept. Livestock are not housebroken. They go where they go and if they're in the barn more than not, it ain't clean and no farmer has the time to spend his days scrubbing manure off the floor of the barn, which would be a 24/7 job.

she didn't give birth "on the floor" she absolutely gave birth on a cloak, spread over a bed of clean straw and probably quite comfortable.....

A cloak spread on straw *quite comfortable*????

And for giving birth no less???

you need to get around a little.

I don't think I'm the one who needs to get around a little.

[presently no screen name]

Amazing how catholics make up things - it goes hand in hand on how and what they are taught.

[count-your-change]

MM, What’s the matter with you???!!! Haven’t you read the Infancy Gospel of James?

[terycarl]

A cloak spread on straw *quite comfortable*???? And for giving birth no less???

Why would a cloak, spread over 6 or 8 inchec of straw be less comfortable than a sheet spread over a mattress??????? and remember, this was about two thousand years ago.