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To: metmom
Jesus did not "need" to be baptized and yes there was another purpose for Jesus being baptized, so it wasn't a "needless" action.

I know -- that's why I put those two words in quotes!

Likewise, the sacrifices at the temple were also done for a purpose -- to fulfill the requirements of the laws of the religion Mary (and Jesus) were born into. (Remember, this was long before Jesus fully built His new religion, i.e. His Church.)

Just to respond quickly to another post you had -- "born" was obviously not the key word that poster was using relating to Adam and Eve. It merely signified "brought to life" in a sinless state -- focusing on the word "born" reminds me of Bill Clinton focusing on what the meaning of the word "is" is.    :-)

(There was a larger point behind their post, and that's what should have been addressed -- not the term "born" -- that's just a frivolous distraction.)

(By the way, metmom, did you get my response to you about your "Biblegateway" New Testament search/word count for the words "Peter" and "Paul", where I told you I put in "Holy Spirit" into your search link, and it came up with far fewer "occurrences" than both Peter and Paul.    I do believe the Holy Spirit is far more important for the Church than both those guys, so I wouldn't put too much stock in those word counts.)    :-)

Until next time, take care.

1,218 posted on 01/11/2013 8:39:05 PM PST by Heart-Rest ("The Church is the pillar and bulwark of the truth." (1 Timothy 3:15))
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To: Heart-Rest
Remember, this was long before Jesus fully built His new religion, i.e. His Church.

Jesus never said he came to start a new religion. It's not about religion. It's about relationship.

He came to restore our relationship with God, to give us a new heart and the opportunity to be with God forever.

It's not about setting up a new system of rules and regulations and do's and don't's.

Religion is man's effort to reach God. Jesus is God's effort to reach man.

Religion is about works. Jesus is about forgiveness.

I did do a keyword search on the Holy Spirit and found what you said. But the discussion was about men and the claim that Peter's name was recorded more than all the other apostles put together, and that is not correct. Paul is an apostle and his name alone shows up more than Peter's, so it simply disproves the claim, making that argument for the primacy of Peter invalid.

1,237 posted on 01/12/2013 5:32:09 AM PST by metmom ( For freedom Christ has set us free; stand firm therefore & do not submit again to a yoke of slavery)
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