Coulda been worse!!!
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Posted on 01/06/2013 3:56:49 PM PST by NYer
The Church as established by Jesus Christ with its Magisterium is the voice of the Holy Spirit. The Church, its clergy, the Catechism, and thousands of certified catechists in Communion with the Body of Christ and one another will interpret, teach and explain to all who seek.
Peace be with you
Are you too dismissing Jesus and calling Him a liar? Have you drawn back and no longer follow Him and His Church?
"The Jews then disputed among themselves, saying, “How can this man give us his flesh to eat?” So Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, unless you eat [tragon] the flesh of the Son of man and drink his blood, you have no life in you; he who eats my flesh and drinks my blood has eternal life, and I will raise him up at the last day. For my flesh is food indeed, and my blood is drink indeed. He who eats my flesh and drinks my blood abides in me, and I in him. As the living Father sent me, and I live because of the Father, so he who eats me will live because of me. This is the bread which came down from heaven, not such as the fathers ate and died; he who eats this bread will live for ever.” This he said in the synagogue, as he taught at Caper′na-um."
Many of his disciples, when they heard it, said, “This is a hard saying; who can listen to it?” But Jesus, knowing in himself that his disciples murmured at it, said to them, “Do you take offense at this? Then what if you were to see the Son of man ascending where he was before? It is the spirit that gives life, the flesh is of no avail; the words that I have spoken to you are spirit and life. But there are some of you that do not believe.” For Jesus knew from the first who those were that did not believe, and who it was that should betray him. 65 And he said, “This is why I told you that no one can come to me unless it is granted him by the Father.”
"After this many of his disciples drew back and no longer went about with him." - John 6:52-66
Well said!
Something about Jesus words escapes Catholics.
It's not the eucharist that gives life; it's the SPIRIT.
The words Jesus spoke are that the FLESH is no help at all.
The WORDS Jesus spoke are spirit. The WORDS Jesus spoke are life.
Baptism and communion are physical demonstrations of spiritual realities, not the realities themselves. They show what spiritual reality has already happened, they don't make it happen.
God is not a puppet that can be manipulated at the beck and call of man.
Not nearly so much as escapes many Protestants. Throughout the Gospels Jesus clearly differentiates between "the flesh" (our flesh) and "my flesh" (His flesh). This is no exception.
Peace be to you
The Holy Spirit interprets infallibly , through men. The question is, which men? The sins, some might ? But who are the saints? The Puritans devoted their whole lives to wondering whether they were among the elect, and dared not boast that they were.
You tryin' REALLY hard to change the subject; but NEITHER of these groups made up the fairy tale of MARY being sinless.
14 They replied, “Some say John the Baptist; others say Elijah; and still others, Jeremiah or one of the prophets.”
15 “But what about you?” he asked. “Who do you say I am?”
Why did you leave out the good stuff?
Coulda been worse!!!
http://www.bibliotecapleyades.net/vatican/esp_vatican29.htm
MAry is dead.
Are you OFFENDED?
Poor Metmom. Gets ACCUSED again!
And why did you?
When Jesus asked the collected disciples, the first century equivalent of the self-interpreters, "Who do the people say that I am?" He did not get a right answer. When Jesus asked the collective Apostles He got no answer either. It was only when the Apostle, whom Jesus would appoint the first Pope, St. Peter, stepped up that He got the right answer, but not from St. Peter alone, but from the Holy Spirit speaking through St. Peter. That is exactly how the Holy Spirit speaks through the Church today. That all of this happened in pagan territory (Caesarea Philippi) at the source of the River Jordan, is of remarkable significance too.
Peace to you.
Only to those within whom faith is dead.
Peace be with you
See post #836
Some poor fools would have you believe that someone smuggled a camera into the torture chamber.....LOL
Some poor fools would have you believe that someone smuggled a camera into the torture chamber.....LOL"
Well, that is Geneva and the Swiss have been been making awfully good optics for a long time.
And because the interpretation of the magisterium in too many instances is either not supported by scripture or is directly contradicted by scripture.
While much is made in these threads of the "horrors" of the various Inquisitions by the "Ignorati" conspicuously absent in these discussions are the Protestant "Witch Trials" prevent throughout Protestant northern Europe from the 16th through the 19th centuries. Conservative estimates are that 60,000+ "witches" were tried and executed. That is 20 to 30 TIMES the numbers killed by the Inquisitions. (This, from the same Ignorati who rail against the Church for not convening another Inquisition and publicly trying and excommunicating those they don't think are Catholic enough)
Peace be with you
Of course, as you know, the old heresies have been resurrected again with a new spin to them such as montanism heresies adopted by pentecostalism and others
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