Also pinging the Goat "Lady"
Posted on 01/06/2013 3:56:49 PM PST by NYer
Although it truthfully explains a lot of the corrupt anti-extra-Biblical beliefs handed down through centuries.
Although it truthfully explains a lot of the corrupt anti- and extra-Biblical beliefs handed down through centuries.
Yet still people go into a closet with a man designated as a priest...who supposedly towers over us spiritually...to confess and be absolved of sins (the ones confessed at least) and then told to do unscriptural penance with repititious chanting (forbidden by God's Holy Word.
When all they have to do is seek out a born again Christian and they will be set on a straight path, not one with traditional chinks and zigs and zags to try to maneuver through. But then maybe that justifies their purgatorical resting place.
My very simple question is how could Peter “make” each and every Christian a holy and royal priest when he loosed himself and the 11 from the so-called “great commission” and gave to Paul the right hand of fellowship and agreed to keep the 12’s Kingdom mission to the Jews while Paul went to the Gentiles. (Galatians, Chapter 2). Seems the RCC should have PAUL as their first “pope”, if they are following Scripture...but I digress...
“Wherefore then serveth the law? It was added because of transgressions..” (Galatians 3:19)
Read only books, magazines, and other material authorized by the Church. [And never examine the veracity of claims against the Church.]
Do not give any information about the area. [”Can you tell me where the library is” “Sorry, we are not allowed to give that information.”]
Proselytize for 10 hours between 9:30 A.M. and 9:30 P.M. [But try to walk faster than the JWs’ who walk as if they are killing the clock.]
Sleep from 10:30 to 6:30. [But...]
Do not arise before your companion. [Bcz you are to...]
Never be alone. [You might begin to think objectively. Or handle explosives, turn the odometer back (see below)...)
Do not retire after your companion. [Mother needs to keep an eye on you.]
Do not handle explosives. [Wonder what precipitated this rule?]
Ask your mission president for help if your companion doesn’t obey the rules. [Rather than using explosives.]
Proselytize as much as possible on weekends and holidays because this is when you’ll find people home. [In your spare time]
Use cars only on approved mission business.
Do not tamper with the vehicle’s odometer. [Bcz someone did not obey the above rule]
And in Catholicism it is written:
“Obey blindly , that is, without asking reasons. Be careful, then, never to examine the directions of your confessor....In a word, keep before your eyes this great rule, that in obeying your confessor you obey God. Force yourself then, to obey him in spite of all fears. And be persuaded that if you are not obedient to him it will be impossible for you to go on well; but if you obey him you are secure.
But you say, if I am damned in consequence of obeying my confessor, who will rescue me from hell? What you say is impossible.” St. Alphonsus De Liguori, True Spouse of Christ, p 352, Benziger Brothers, NY (search Google books)
“He is as sure of a truth when declared by the Catholic Church as he would be if he saw Jesus Christ standing before him and heard Him declaring it with His Own Divine lips.” —“Henry G. Graham, “What Faith Really Means.”
“The intolerance of the Church toward error, the natural position of one who is the custodian of truth, her only reasonable attitude makes her forbid her children to read or to listen to heretical controversy, or to endeavor to discover religious truths by examining both sides of the question. - John H. Stapleton, Explanation of Catholic Morals. (More: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/religion/2891087/posts?page=355#355)
The first part, yes that is what the Catholic Church is. A supernatural religion, as you so aptly describe it. With private judgments in matters of faith...that would be by those described as the church Fathers and of course the Popes. (That may be redundant, I imagine that the Popes are considered church Fathers.)
Jesus spoke frequently about his dislike for religion, and therefore built up his body (His church) made up with those that chose/choose to believe in and follow Him. Becoming "born again" and brought into His kingdom.
He did not create a church such as is described at the top of this post, but a group of believers who have a personal relationship with him.
That is "the church."
Jesus' church has HIM as the absolute authority.
Not a man or men as the Chatolics do. Or at least so you have proclaimed.
Oops LOL
Chatolics in the last sentence shoud have been Catholics.
Very good, that was the point I was attempting to get across in my post."Jesus was formed by God,"
Jesus IS God.
I was going step by step from, to put it in context, this
Seeing the Truth (Jesus) being formed as you describe it, starting with God formed Jesus seemed a good way to lead to clarity.Contrary to Catholic proclamations:
Catholic teaching Sacred Scripture and Sacred Tradition are complementary and synergistic, together forming the TruthThe arrogance of Catholicism to say that those 3 things "form" the truth is...well...par for the course. I was going to say astounding, but it's a given.
Jesus is the Truth. The Way, the Truth, and the Life.
Jesus was formed by God, not by that Catholic anathematic threesome.
Of course Jesus is God, I would never say otherwize.This scripture may fit here quite well:
For it was You who created my inward parts; You (God) knit me together in my mother's womb.--Psalm 139:13A bit liked "formed?"
That’s unreal!
......if it were not for the Catholic church bringing to your door step the bibleHeh, the only ones coming to my door are JW's, Mormons and Christians bringing cookies and The Truth
...only Catholics existed as Christians thenLOL, a false statement repeated over and over again is effective, but still not true
...had they not compiled, translated, copied, preserved etc etc the bible.....we wouldn't even have it now.The Bible admonishes us to "Do not grieve the Holy Spirit."
The God Breathed scriptures would have been...and have been actually...brought to mankind without the Catholics.
It's good not to get too puffed up about what Catholics did:
Holman Christian Standard Bible (2009)[not the dreaded KJV]
Look, his ego is inflated; he is without integrity.--Habakkuk 2:4
Plagarism I tells ya, plagiarism!
But what’s knu?
Also pinging the Goat "Lady"
How many Pope Paul's were there?
Maybe they had a clue and chose that name because they knew that Paul should have been the first pope.
LOL subtly sticking it to their own belief system....heh
Oops I better lool for another pic, that one apparantly didn’t show up.
“He is as sure of a truth when declared by the Catholic Church as he would be if he saw Jesus Christ standing before him and heard Him declaring it with His Own Divine lips.” —“Henry G. Graham, “What Faith Really Means.”So looking at the Catholic Church is the same as gazing into the eyes of God and listening to Him speak?
The arrogance is astounding!
This is a misconception arising from Protestantism that we are only Justified by Faith through grace, and that moral efforts, sacraments, liturgy, institutions, primarily the Church, are counter to this, but ironically the only time justification by faith through grace is actually mentioned in Scripture it is to specifically condemn that thought (see James). St. Paul calls for us to participate in the mystical body of Christ that is His Church and to participate in the Sacraments that can only be done through the Church.
Jesus spoke often against the abuse, distortion and corruption of religion, and if you are saying that you are opposed to those things you will have an ally in me, but if you mean to imply that Jesus opposed religion then you will have my active opposition.
Jesus was a deeply religious, law abiding and devout Jew who proclaimed that he did not come to abolish the law, but to fulfill it. If you think Jesus advocated individualism and was against those institutional, liturgical and sacramental doctrines that tie us together into the unity he commanded you are wrong. Jesus then gave us a new Decalogue; the two Greatest Commandments and the eight Beatitudes, He established his Church and the Papacy under St. Peter and instituted the Eucharist. He sent his Apostles into the world to baptize and preach his Gospel and to establish Episcopacies and Churches.
Protestantism often preaches spirituality with out religion and Jesus without religion, but those result in Jesus being an abstraction and nothing could be further from the truth. Jesus is the Word made flesh and religion, the Church, the Sacraments and Liturgies are as real as He was.
Peace be with you
That is completely false. One would think that anyone who was legitimately Catholic or who was Catholic and found difficulties with the Church's perceived teachings would be honest enough to actually learn the teachings instead of choosing apostasy arising from a personal error.
The Church teaches that the forgiveness does not come from the priest, but from God through the priest acting "in personna Christi". The fact that you have often criticized and ridiculed the concept of in personna Christi says you are either being forgetful or intentionally inaccurate. Which is it?
The Infancy Gospel of James is recognized as a fraud by Catholic scholars and still it is offered as proof that Joseph had children before those with Mary.
Point out that it is a fraud and the messenger is attacked.
Not a surprise.
What a bunch of nonsense. The Catholic church did its darned best to keep the Bible out of the hands of the laity. The only reason that can be that the Catholic church has changed its position is because after the invention of the printing press, it saw that it could no longer keep it out of the hands of the laity.
Try as they might at stopping it with their pronouncements, tortures, murders and burning people at the stake for it, the spread of the gospel couldn't be stopped. Persecution ALWAYS makes the church grow, hence the Catholic church itself fueled the fires of the Reformation.
The more the church tried to stamp it out, the stronger the body of Christ became.
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